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One of the good things about GNU Social that Mastodon doesn't seem to have is a public timeline that anyone can view without having to sign up so you know what you're getting yourself into before joining.
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@sim That's intentional, gets more signups and makes them more likely to stay since they went to the effort of the entry fee of handing over some personal data just to have a look.
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@cyberpotato
If that is the intentional reason behind it, that's a sucky thing to do to people. Although I don't think it makes them remain if they lose interest... but it may explain in part why there are many more signups than use the service.-
@sim undoubtedly this is as much how their instances got so large as the overall explanation of twitter exoduses.
Monday, 10-Apr-17 14:01:25 UTC from web-
@awl @sim and they count all accounts that are visible to their server, not just the local ones as their user number.
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@cyberpotato @awl
So they inflate their account numbers? Why doesn't that surprise me?-
@sim @awl
>Why doesn't that surprise me?
because the owner is an incredibly dishonest enormous Potato Knishes who'll twist anything to present himself in the best light.-
@cyberpotato @awl
That about covers it. If I wanted to inflate the importance of SLC, I could say that we have 36653 accounts signed up... and I'd be right. But that really doesn't give you a good indicator on the size of the instance because only a small fraction of that are active and remain. It is a shame that so many people don't stick about.
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@cyberpotato man we should be doing that
Monday, 10-Apr-17 14:12:19 UTC from web
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@awl
Both contributed, along with the advertisements from the media and on twitter too. We got a few people joining on SLC in the past few days too, although not as many hang about. I wonder just how active mastodon is, and how active it will remain in a few months.-
Monday, 10-Apr-17 14:06:54 UTC from web
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@awl
Oh yeah... mastodon social and some others I don't recall the name of really like that block button. Over here, we have some kind of odd public block... people need to follow us from mastodon social before seeing our posts so we can't help the new guys that join up.
I'm curious, how long have you been on rainbow dash for?-
Monday, 10-Apr-17 14:10:28 UTC from web
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@awl
Ah, cool... been around longer than I have here. I've always been curious about how you guys over there found things when my wave came over early last year... and also compared to the latest mastodon wave. I wonder how much I'm looking into a mirror.-
@sim well it could be like we passed the torch but most of us still around came here initially because of watching My Little Pony, and as of right now I'm one of the 'newer' people regularly on the site. But any questions, please ask away!
Monday, 10-Apr-17 14:18:33 UTC from web-
@awl
I think about 4 years is enough to see the recent changes. I do hope that we can pass the torch on to some of the new guys, to excite them about the fediverse, decentralisation and freedom software. I don't think I've had the chance to really talk to folks on rainbow dash, and it would be cool to do more of that. Although I'm afraid that I can't share in the MLP love, I can discuss other things. :)-
@sim generally we haven't had discussions on MLP for awhile; the most of us still active have either toned it down or dropped out of watching it altogether. Mostly here nowadays it's drive-by bananaposting (apparently oppressive) and the occasional 'how was your day' sort of thing. I like meeting new people who haven't learned how much a prick I am though
Monday, 10-Apr-17 14:27:25 UTC from web-
@awl
That makes sense, and it might explain why I haven't seen much from your instance. Wait... bananaposting got you banned? Seen as oppressive grapeposting? Hahahaha! Those guys really don't like fun, do they? They must be a joy to be around. Haha, don't worry about the prick-ish nature... I'm sure that I can handle it.-
@sim "they must be a joy to be around"; very close to my initial reaction too. Maybe they don't like us poking at the US Pres, or UKIP, or neocons in general. They're missing out though. We're clever!
Monday, 10-Apr-17 14:35:47 UTC from web-
@awl
Haha. Sounds like I need to see some of this poking too. Now you've said you are clever, you'd better not let me down! ;) I would imagine that those guys are on the left so it's even more funny that you mentioned who you did.-
@sim unless someone comes right off saying their political alignment I at least have a hard time reading it. Up to the point one starts speaking in absolutes. Far as clever goes... @mrmattimation is a great cartoonist (maybe you've already seen/heard of his studio's work), @tiffany is an articulate cuck for the ages, and I make bad puns with the occasional dad-tier joke.
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@awl @mrmattimation @tiffany
Well, I am making the assumption here based on them banning cherryposting and being nofun. Ah, I have seen them both around the fediverse at points so that's cool.-
Monday, 10-Apr-17 14:51:09 UTC from web
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@tiffany
Cheers. I'm curious, what do you think about the new wave of users from mastodon, and just how much do they mirror my wave from early last year? How much of a pain in the arse were we? Aha.-
@sim Honestly most of the beginnings of the federation are a blur to me by now. Compared to what I've seen of Mastodon (which isn't a lot since we're oppressive) I still don't dislike them as much as I did the vocal majority of SLC when they, in the space of one conversation tree: told me my opinion was wrong, told me to stop acting like a child, and then told me to die, all because I said the new Ghostbusters movie wasn't terrible. I definitely associated SPC and such with that group at first, but even when I butted heads with some of you guys you were always leagues better than Sea Lion
Monday, 10-Apr-17 15:05:32 UTC from web-
@tiffany
Um... you're not going to like me much because I am a part of SLC, that was my first instance and I mod there. Sucks to hear that you had that experience with our users though. We do have some interesting people that come to our instance, it really does attract all sorts of people who are opinionated. Although I think that things have calmed down a lot lately... most people have gone, and I think we have a bit of fun from time to time.-
@sim Oh damn haha, I honestly had no idea. I trust that the people I met last year don't represent the majority of you, though admittedly after we cut off communication with SLC I never thought to reevaluate my thoughts on the place. It's definitely not the site I have an inherent issue with, just the extreme volatility that I saw from there (and I didn't realise it at the time but that does go both ways). I'm much less of a (((cuck))) now and so when I meet people on other sites who I don't necessarily agree with, I put much more credence in people just being enjoyable to talk to
Monday, 10-Apr-17 15:27:52 UTC from web-
@tiffany
Yeah, it is difficult to know because I've joined multiple instances since. I won't say that you absolutely wouldn't bump into people like you mentioned but I don't think that represents the people that remained behind after the waves. At least that hasn't been my experience with them. They are quite fun to be around, and we've had a few waves. Oh yeah, it helps to find something in common with people... that is when it can get more enjoyable.
I have to admit, it can be difficult to alter your opinion of an instance once you've been burned. I really did want to move on when it came to mastodon, because I realise that likely the people who burned me there are no longer about. But it's hard because it doesn't seem like things have improved, and they still push the slant they did before.-
@sim Yeah, as a fervid lefty, I'm pretty disappointed that mastodon is the way that it is. I have way more respect for the instances I don't agree with politically because at least they're willing to talk things out, and even at worst we all still FrankerZpost together
Monday, 10-Apr-17 15:50:21 UTC from web-
@tiffany
That's the idea. As far as I know, SLC gets blocked for political reasons but are too fervent in our support for freedoms to return the favour. Aha. But yeah, at worst we'll end up insulting each other... but at least it'll still be communicating. So there is a chance for that.-
@sim If nothing else I'm glad that debates/blusters about freedom are helping further everyone's understanding of what it actually entails. I don't think I was ever anti-free speech in any major way but now my views are reinforced and I can appreciate issues a lot more holistically, whether I agree or not
Monday, 10-Apr-17 16:02:16 UTC from web-
@tiffany
Yeah. I think it also helps to have something to compare either side with... so you know what free and restricted speech entails. Like life, free speech has the good, the bad, and the ugly. When you are exposed to them, it can help you to learn to navigate them better... or to appreciate your own freedom better.
When you're unsure about your own views because they have shaky foundations, it is never fun to have them torn a part... whether they are right or wrong... but even that can help. It gives you a chance to check them again, to see whether you need to change them completely, alter parts of it, or have it reinforced without needing that because it is right. Check your premises, as they say.
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@awl @sim You're the worst oppressive kiwiposters in the whole fediverse.
http://archive.is/Uv7S7-
@cyberpotato @awl
So they basically blocked most of the instances that came before mastodon. It'll surprise me when they include quitter to that list. Why don't they just go and make their own centralised platform anyhow?-
Monday, 10-Apr-17 14:20:29 UTC from web
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@awl
Oh yeah... I guess it is easy to create your own instance rather than creating a centralised platform from scratch.
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@sim @awl They need conflict with other groups to keep themselves from turning on each other, and it gives excuses for being heavy-handed with their own users.
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@cyberpotato @awl
This really shows just how toxic the culture is if that is the case... if you need constant conflict to the point that you'll even turn on your own group if there is none elsewhere.-
@sim a shame. This mind of thing interests and perplexes me. I wonder why not just turn off the bloody screen if you're getting heated in the wrong way? Then again once in a while I ask this of myself as well. Hypocrisy; part of the human condition.
Monday, 10-Apr-17 14:32:55 UTC from web-
@awl
Probably because you want to vent your frustration out on whoever/whatever you are Fluffle Puffed about. But yes, if things get too bad then I do recommend a short break. Get off the computer for a while, do something to take care of yourself... perhaps grab a drink or go for a walk. It's amazing just how much it helps. I end up walking away, venting away in my head so my issue is a little clearer while doing something nice for myself. It helps to distance yourself from the original place you were set off at.-
@sim i know it's easier to sit and stew. Also it seems the longer you stew the quicker your lid blows off and you do walk away, but it's the splash damage that should be avoided.
Monday, 10-Apr-17 14:41:22 UTC from web-
@awl
Maybe that's the other reason? People do prefer the path of least resistance, and if it is easier to sit and stew on it rather than walk away... that's what people will do.-
@sim ha, like electricity, lightning. If one wants to get 'deep' one could say also like lightning we burn really hot, fast, and are gone in a flash.
Monday, 10-Apr-17 14:47:40 UTC from web
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