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I don't understand why people who've been under general anesthetics would ever continue to believe that consciousness is not generated by their body and consequently does not and can not exist after death. I mean, seriously, youv'e experienced the nothingness!
Friday, 29-Jun-18 20:16:49 UTC from web-
@oracle I have some negating grammar mistakes in this statement, but I think that the point can still be understood. Sorry, I haven't spoken or written in English for a few days.
Friday, 29-Jun-18 20:18:13 UTC from web -
@oracle I've been under general recently and it hasn't really discounted the idea. If anything waking up afterwards is disorienting enough that I wondered if I'd died on the table
Friday, 29-Jun-18 20:21:13 UTC from web-
@tiff Consciness is a thing that exists, no one understands the complexity and specifics of it. After we die, we either remain conscience or we don't. In the event that we do, this means that the body, was not the origin of conciseness. However, if that is true, than why is there nothing when you are under anesthetics? My point is simply that the lack of conciseness that can be observed when the body is altered to not create it is evidence that consciences is "generated" by the body and therefore it would be sound to suggest that there is no consciousness after death.
Saturday, 30-Jun-18 00:54:58 UTC from web-
@oracle I wouldn't consider an induced coma the same experience as death necessarily. Maybe deathconsciousness is like a dream you don't remember when you wake up. Maybe it's not consciousness at all. It's a falsifiable statement with the catch that someone has to die to prove it wrong. Incidentally, what have the people who claim to have died and come back to life said about it?
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@tiff There is a very strong difference in brain activity between general anesthetics and comas. You know how when you wake up in the morning or from a nap you can sense the time has passed? This is because the brain's perception of time comes from it's ability to process information and form memories, something that the brain is made unable to do when under anesthetics but still semi functional when in a coma, and very functional while in most stages of sleep. In my personal experience from drowning in resort pool on vacation I can say a few things about OBE/NDEs. First, drowning is an awful terrible and slow way to die (I guess that's off topic) Any who, we know, and can prove, that when people are having near death experiences that they are, in fact, alive. More importantly, we know that the brain can actively form memories in these states. Knowing this, we can't honestly use them as examples of what ACTUAL potentially conscienceless death would be like.
Saturday, 30-Jun-18 17:25:05 UTC from web-
@oracle fair. the only point i staunchly stand by really is that a lack of proof of one thing isn't proof of another thing
Saturday, 30-Jun-18 18:57:16 UTC from web-
@tiff That brought flashbacks from my philosophy classes on the subjects of "Absence of Evidence" and "Evidence of Absence" how they relate, how or when they can be interchanged, god it's complicated logic. I would agree with you, however, that it IS fair to use that in these in-testable circumstances though.
Saturday, 30-Jun-18 19:39:39 UTC from web
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@oracle i never was taught this and thankfully, to a point, being knocked out like this did nothing but affirm my beliefs.
Friday, 29-Jun-18 23:38:59 UTC from web -
@oracle I guess some people would say that the "soul" is still in the body. It is fascinating that while under, the brain actually remains very active, just not conscious. So if a "soul" was still in the body, would they argue that the body is somehow in more control than the soul? If consciousness originates from the soul and not the brain, than why aren't people aware even when we turn off that functionality of the brain? I'm sorry, it just doesn't make any sense
Saturday, 30-Jun-18 01:06:55 UTC from web -
@oracle i let myself be choked out for science once. Now that was an experiance. Weird dreams and apperantly I had a micro seziure. And one hell of a sore neck.
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@firestormdangerdash Wow, that's intense! Where was this? Did they pay you?
Sunday, 01-Jul-18 19:31:10 UTC from web
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