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I wonder if a person had a cybernetic heart and lungs that continued to pump and breath without brain activity whether their body might continue to live after they've died.
Wednesday, 23-Oct-13 10:31:42 UTC from web-
@pony That's literally exactly what the "Is it acceptable to cut a persons life support" debate is about.
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@ceruleanspark It comes down to the definition of living I guess.
Wednesday, 23-Oct-13 10:35:10 UTC from web-
@pony If they have brain functions then they're alive. If they don't, they're dead. The only grey area ought to be in the case of severe brain damage
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@ceruleanspark That sounds right.
Wednesday, 23-Oct-13 10:59:11 UTC from web-
@pony Coming from you that surprises me
Wednesday, 23-Oct-13 11:01:23 UTC from web-
@ceruleanspark How odd. I was just thinking, what if my answer surprised somepony? I didn't think it would surprise anypony though honestly. x3 If it's because of my faith I understand. Most conservatives tend to prefer to err on the side of caution especially when it comes to human life. Maybe I just don't know all the details that other conservatives do, like whether brain activity can be revived after an extended period of time. I don't see any reason to keep a body alive after the mind is dead, and my church takes no stance on the matter as far as I know (and I know a great deal about stances in my church). Though keeping the body alive for donation purposes would be good in some cases I think.
Wednesday, 23-Oct-13 11:08:50 UTC from web-
@pony An abortion-legal fetus has no brain activity is why
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@ceruleanspark My church does have a stance on abortion. Let's see if I can find it.
Wednesday, 23-Oct-13 11:12:52 UTC from web-
@pony Same with a lot of the arguments against genetic experimentation. It's "not OK" to create "life" (clumps of engineered cells) for whatever reason, even though every person in america kills more "life" than that every time they clean a toilet.
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@ceruleanspark I think bonobos ought to be used to grow replacement organs for humans. Bad for bonobos but good for us. (not sure if I'm spelling bonobo correctly)
Wednesday, 23-Oct-13 11:17:40 UTC from web-
@pony How exactly is the slaughter of actually living animals preferable to culturing cells in a petri dish?
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@ceruleanspark We wouldn't need to necessarily kill the bonobo donors, but if culturing the cells is an easier option then great! Embryonic stem cell research is fine even, as long as it's not facilitated by an abortion that should not have happened according to that statement I posted.
Wednesday, 23-Oct-13 11:25:15 UTC from web-
@pony Removing organs from things that are alive typically causes them to cease being alive.
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@ceruleanspark depends on the organ, but yeah. I'm putting value on the life of the bonobo equal to the value of life of a pig.
Wednesday, 23-Oct-13 11:30:02 UTC from web-
@pony What makes them less equal than humans in your doctrine?
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@ceruleanspark All life is sacred, and hunting for sport, for example, is a practice condemned in my church. Some will still hunt, but if they use the meat of the animals they kill so it then may be justified. As for why it's okay to kill animals for food, the Bible promotes eating meat. Meat sustains life. Organ harvesting sustains life. Hence I've logicked that using animals for organs is alright.
Wednesday, 23-Oct-13 11:46:18 UTC from web
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@pony Okay look, until/unless we can produce ham from a bonobo it's not worth as much as a pig
Wednesday, 23-Oct-13 11:31:38 UTC from web-
@redenchilada I'm kind of unappetized thinking about what bonobo meat might taste like honestly. A pig can save as many lives as a bonobo I suppose where nourishment is lacking.
Wednesday, 23-Oct-13 11:34:36 UTC from web
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@ceruleanspark So can we call cleaning the bathroom "going on a murderous rampage"?
Wednesday, 23-Oct-13 11:18:35 UTC from web-
@redenchilada More like Genocide
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Wednesday, 23-Oct-13 11:22:05 UTC from web
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Wednesday, 23-Oct-13 11:22:28 UTC from web
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@ceruleanspark that was easy.. not what I recall though.. What I remember is a statement of when abortion is actually appropriate should the mother choose it. Instead I found only the statement of when it's not appropriate. http://goo.gl/rLEZ3g
Wednesday, 23-Oct-13 11:15:28 UTC from web -
@ceruleanspark interpretation is left to members
Wednesday, 23-Oct-13 11:16:11 UTC from web
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Although, unless the body were receiving nutrients artificially as well I suppose that all other organs would eventually fail right?
Wednesday, 23-Oct-13 10:38:24 UTC from web -
@snowcone I don't have my ponyfolder with me at work, but even if I did, my files aren't categorized in a way that would make finding such an image easy. I'll see what I can find still on derpiboo.ru I do enjoy surfing that site.
Wednesday, 23-Oct-13 11:50:50 UTC from web -
@snowcone http://derpiboo.ru/445273 for starters
Wednesday, 23-Oct-13 11:52:36 UTC from web -
@snowcone are you looking for the pony on his/her stomach or lying on their back? http://derpiboo.ru/429039
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Wednesday, 23-Oct-13 11:56:18 UTC from web
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@snowcone This one is more of a sitting pose, but not quite the angle you might need. I think you'd be best off piecing together what you want based on multiple references http://derpiboo.ru/315398
Wednesday, 23-Oct-13 12:02:17 UTC from web -
@snowcone http://derpiboo.ru/268714 last one
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