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  1. Matt Matt

    I'd be running OSX on a VM if it weren't for the fact that mangoesing Toshiba disabled virtualization and there isnt an option in the bios to turn it back on. >:C

    Wednesday, 05-Mar-14 22:29:26 UTC from web
    1. Pony Pony

      @mrmattimation Can OSX be run in a VM just like that?

      Wednesday, 05-Mar-14 22:31:15 UTC from web
      1. Matt Matt

        @pony Yeah but not through legal means so shut up about it. >:C

        Wednesday, 05-Mar-14 22:32:16 UTC from web
        1. Pony Pony

          @mrmattimation Are Hackintoshes illegal too then? What if you own the actual OSes on devices?

          Wednesday, 05-Mar-14 22:34:01 UTC from web
          1. Cerulean Spark Cerulean Spark

            @pony Yes. They're still illegal because you have to bypass hardware DRM to run the OS on anything other than an approved device.

            Wednesday, 05-Mar-14 22:49:57 UTC from web
            1. Pony Pony

              @ceruleanspark I see. I don't think I'll ever get DRM law.

              Wednesday, 05-Mar-14 22:58:50 UTC from web
              1. Cerulean Spark Cerulean Spark

                @pony It's actually pretty unambiguous. Bypassing DRM is illegal in all contexts, regardless of whether or not the DRM is infringing on some other right you think you have, like first sale doctrine or whatever.

                Wednesday, 05-Mar-14 23:00:55 UTC from web
                1. Pony Pony

                  @ceruleanspark I'm glad my confusion has some basis then.

                  Wednesday, 05-Mar-14 23:12:03 UTC from web
                  1. Cerulean Spark Cerulean Spark

                    @pony It turns out people in favour of DRM have more money than people in favor of civil rights.

                    Wednesday, 05-Mar-14 23:13:19 UTC from web
                    1. Pony Pony

                      @ceruleanspark Fortunately DRM laws are really only enforceable at an individual level by whatever complex mechanism their programmers use.

                      Wednesday, 05-Mar-14 23:16:36 UTC from web
            2. adiwan adiwan

              @ceruleanspark In Germany it is perfectly legal to install MacOS on any device you want. Because of the EULA, that you have to accept during the install and not before the purchase the EULA is nullified.

              Wednesday, 05-Mar-14 23:03:15 UTC from Choqok
              1. Techdisk Techdisk

                @broniebrown doesn't that nullify basically every single EULA in existence?

                Wednesday, 05-Mar-14 23:04:14 UTC from web
                1. adiwan adiwan

                  @techdisk @ceruleanspark Basically yeah.

                  Wednesday, 05-Mar-14 23:06:09 UTC from Choqok
                  1. Cerulean Spark Cerulean Spark

                    @broniebrown But does a EULA being invalid give you the right to bypass the technical measures built into OSX that keep it from working on non-approved hardware?

                    Wednesday, 05-Mar-14 23:09:22 UTC from web
                    1. adiwan adiwan

                      @ceruleanspark It's fine to do that. But it is a grey area when it comes to copy protection (at least in my opinion). The law says that it is forbidden to circumvent an effective copy protection. It isn't effective when there is a fix for that. There are many other dubious laws here like the "hacker paragraph" that is so vaguely written that most linux tools are against this law.

                      Wednesday, 05-Mar-14 23:16:42 UTC from Choqok
              2. Cerulean Spark Cerulean Spark

                @broniebrown Aren't basically all EULAs invalid in germany anyway

                Wednesday, 05-Mar-14 23:04:15 UTC from web