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Look I'm just saying that the kid was probably a total loser and he needs to accept his role in the circle of life.
Wednesday, 12-Mar-14 12:14:12 UTC from web-
@snowcone Everything is edible if you're dedicated enough.
Wednesday, 12-Mar-14 12:17:33 UTC from web -
@mrmattimation doesn't excuse bullying behavior of others. When group X commits wrongdoing against victim Y, and you try to justify actions of X by suggesting/claiming qualities/traits of Y solicited clearly immoral actions, you are victim-blaming and adding to the problem. It's like when stupid men say "well she wouldnt be ****ed if she wasn't wearing that short skirt" society's pigs try to make it the victim's fault and excuse degenerative acts of immorality.
Wednesday, 12-Mar-14 12:20:10 UTC from web-
@prettypurpleprincesspublicprincesstimeline You know it was a joke, right?
Wednesday, 12-Mar-14 12:20:59 UTC from web-
@mrmattimation my programming cannot detect these "jokes"
Wednesday, 12-Mar-14 12:21:44 UTC from web -
@mrmattimation are they chocolate
Wednesday, 12-Mar-14 12:21:53 UTC from web
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@mrmattimation Nobody is laughing because your joke is making fun of a 9 year old who is being bullied in school.
Wednesday, 12-Mar-14 12:20:30 UTC from web -
@snowcone you understand that any attempt to explain that Y's behavior cause X to do such-and-such to Y is still saying it's Y's fault? You may not intend it to be that way, but that's how it ends up being. Suppose Y did not do the things one claims "raised her chances", would X still act against Y? If yes, then the correlation is unfounded, if no, then you are saying her actions caused it and shifting causation to the victim. If what she does can't be helped, but neither can he, only one of them is doing harmful and thus the aggressor is still solely to blame. Or if she can't help her mixed signals, but the man can still choose and does so, it is still solely his fault and she's done nothing wrong. Trying to deliberate body language and things that raise or lower chances misses the point that the aggression resulting is irreversible and largely unpunished, and surprisingly defended by our society.
Wednesday, 12-Mar-14 12:35:17 UTC from web-
@prettypurpleprincesspublicprincesstimeline You're making the same mistake he pointed out.
Wednesday, 12-Mar-14 12:37:25 UTC from web
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@snowcone I counter your taser with an electrically isolated breastplate
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Wednesday, 12-Mar-14 12:45:29 UTC from web
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@mrmattimation Victims should go to mars. That'll teach them.
Wednesday, 12-Mar-14 12:46:08 UTC from web
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@snowcone It's a shame tasers are barely a thing over here, otherwise I'd have hell of a time laughing them off.
Wednesday, 12-Mar-14 12:47:54 UTC from web -
@snowcone That's the issue. And also why I proposed the breastplate. I wouldn't fight a cop, but I sure as hell would walk towards the feminazi and shove her head against the electrodes.
Wednesday, 12-Mar-14 12:52:01 UTC from web -
@snowcone Then I might as well rape her
Wednesday, 12-Mar-14 12:55:54 UTC from web -
@snowcone "Why was there a taser involved?" "It was foreplay, your honour"
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Wednesday, 12-Mar-14 13:01:09 UTC from web
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@awl "We saw it on /d/"
Wednesday, 12-Mar-14 13:03:15 UTC from web
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@snowcone I had to go to sleep. I'm taken aback by your argument is that "there will always be X, therefore, my claim." If you were saying "there will always be thunderstorms, so we should use umbrellas" I would have no issue. This will sound like hyperbole, but I challenge you to defend your argument that there will always be violence in the world. you may not mean this, but what you're saying will "always happen" is based on people choosing to do these things. I know you just said that your argument doesn't mean we shouldn't try to stop it anyway, but I really would like to hear how desensitizing violence into an unpreventable statistic does anything towards understanding it, stopping it, helping people avoid it, or helping develop social awareness as to decrease likelihood of people rationalizing that it's okay to do such things. you and I could agree it's true, but if society agrees that violence never goes away, it helps justify the actions of members in that society.
Wednesday, 12-Mar-14 22:36:19 UTC from web -
@snowcone another thing too, and here's an analogy I hope you enjoy, but I shouldn't need to be expected to wear a bulletproof vest when I walk outside. If I agree that I have the burden of responsibility to reduce my own risk as a victim, and it's not the responsibility of others to *not* shoot me, then I should always wear a vest since I should expect that people will always try and shoot me no matter the law or how much society discourages murder.
Wednesday, 12-Mar-14 22:39:34 UTC from web -
@snowcone actually "therefore prepare for x" was your claim (on a side note) so my phrasing was still correct. I'm not sure whose position it is that the rape statistic will never change, or who decided it was the default position (because anyone can call their own position the "default position") but if it's a claim they have to prove it. I dont have to disprove it wont change, if they say it wont change they have to show why.
Wednesday, 12-Mar-14 22:42:47 UTC from web -
@snowcone You may not be directly ver batum (sp?) saying it's not people's responsibility to follow the law, but you've been giving me rebuttal after rebuttal every time I try to say or suggest that it is the responsibility of each person not to commit crime. Your general suggestion which can be inferred from your responses, is, "it's not going away, so the responsibility lies with potential victims." At the very least, even if you are not trying to say that, since we are discussing a problem your end thus far seems to be a resignation to the risk-reduction solution. solution is a misnomer of course, because as long as individuals only try to reduce the risk, of course said acts of violence will always occur. There's a difference in saying something automatic will always occur (like gravity) and something involving a decision will always occur. maybe you already do, but you seem dismissive of any argument I make that we should actually solve problems and not treat symptoms.
Wednesday, 12-Mar-14 22:56:30 UTC from web -
@snowcone or at least, I feel based on your language that you dismiss my argument as unrealistic because you're throwing the "X will always happen" defense
Wednesday, 12-Mar-14 22:57:40 UTC from web
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