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http://www.secretsofthefed.com/15-year-old-swatted-gamer-convicted-domestic-terrorism-25-years-life-federal-prison/ This is great
Thursday, 04-Sep-14 18:27:07 UTC from web-
@nerthos This punishment is TOO hard. It is way over the purpose to educate the boy. It is right to give him a harsh punishment for his age like making him do work at humanitarian services for a year or two. He'll be 40 when he gets out of prison with no real life perspective.
Thursday, 04-Sep-14 18:46:03 UTC from Choqok-
@broniebrown I agree, but I think it should take at least 5 years. A threat like that is a severe crime.
Thursday, 04-Sep-14 18:50:31 UTC from web -
@broniebrown He called the police with a false claim with the express purpose of leading them to attack someone who had nothing to do with any crime, and put the life of both the cops and the victims in danger. It's not too hard. It's a proper punishment and makes of him an example. Hell, I wouldn't complain if they hanged him. Humanitarian services for two years would be like punishing murder with a night at the police department.
Thursday, 04-Sep-14 18:52:34 UTC from web-
@nerthos Hanged? Ehhhh, not sure on that one. 5-10 maybe. I feel like that's still quite a lot of time.
Thursday, 04-Sep-14 18:55:01 UTC from web-
@xeleanorxrigbyx I firmly believe that crimes caused by both malice and stupidity should be heavily punished, and that guy displayed incredible amounts of both.
Thursday, 04-Sep-14 18:58:25 UTC from web-
Thursday, 04-Sep-14 19:00:28 UTC from web
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@xeleanorxrigbyx I agree maybe 1-3 years and when he gets out heavy probation, house arrest and last but not least community service
Thursday, 04-Sep-14 18:58:42 UTC from web
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@nerthos In Germany the punishment would be up to 5 years in jail or a fine. I don't know what this would be for minors but probably a lot less.
Thursday, 04-Sep-14 19:00:18 UTC from Choqok-
@broniebrown Germany also has a completely different culture, in which light punishments like that one are enough.
Thursday, 04-Sep-14 19:01:09 UTC from web-
@nerthos I guess it depends. Apparently in the states a bomb threat is up to 20 years in prison and fines. Is this better or worse?
Thursday, 04-Sep-14 19:02:56 UTC from web-
@xeleanorxrigbyx Depends. USA also has a lot of paranoia in regards to terrorism, and a history of terrible crimes, so it makes sense for them to have such heavy punishments for that type of crime, as the police force is likely to mobilize enormous resources for any rumor of terrorist threat.
Thursday, 04-Sep-14 19:06:42 UTC from web-
@nerthos I guess I put it on level (or perhaps below) a bomb threat (you're mobilizing forces either way) but interesting that bomb threats cap out at 20 but this one is 25. Hooray legal system!
Thursday, 04-Sep-14 19:08:31 UTC from web-
@xeleanorxrigbyx Well, the article says he was convicted of two charges, so it makes sense that the lenght of both sentences adds to end up in 25 years.
Thursday, 04-Sep-14 19:12:05 UTC from web-
@nerthos Ah, I must have missed that bit. Guess it makes sense in context then.
Thursday, 04-Sep-14 19:12:44 UTC from web-
@xeleanorxrigbyx "after a judge found the young man guilty on two counts of domestic terrorism and was sentenced"
Thursday, 04-Sep-14 19:18:37 UTC from web-
@nerthos Yeah, the US doesn't play around with anything regarding the phrase terrorism.
Thursday, 04-Sep-14 19:19:01 UTC from web-
@xeleanorxrigbyx Well, their whole defense and foreign policy of the last 12 years is based around "fighting terrorism" so...
Thursday, 04-Sep-14 19:20:38 UTC from web
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@broniebrown Oh yeah it would be and honestly I think they are going way overboard with this kid and I want to say it again he is a kid
Thursday, 04-Sep-14 19:01:53 UTC from web-
@princeshootingstar He's 15, he should have learned about consequences and right and wrong by that age.
Thursday, 04-Sep-14 19:03:04 UTC from web-
@nerthos True enough but still while I'll admit he could have gotten somebody killed and nearly did he is still a kid-an idiotic one- but a kid none the less
Thursday, 04-Sep-14 19:04:04 UTC from web-
@princeshootingstar I am and will always be an enemy to the idea of using age as an excuse. I was a kid, not long ago, and I know exactly how kids work and think, and their true ability to use reason. A 15 year old understands the nature of his actions well enough to be treated as an adult in that respect. Age would be a factor for a 15 year old boy in a crime for example sexual in nature, as their hormones are wild, but not for a crime of this nature.
Thursday, 04-Sep-14 19:10:54 UTC from web-
@nerthos Please elaborate on this " Age would be a factor for a 15 year old boy in a crime for example sexual in nature, as their hormones are wild, but not for a crime of this nature."
Thursday, 04-Sep-14 19:12:34 UTC from web-
@princeshootingstar You learn right and wrong below the 10 year threshold, along with the fact that calling the police is no joke and you should never do it for a "prank". Ask any third grader and he'll tell you this. As for the example, we all know puberty makes people less than rational in regards to their sexual behavior: it's a basic biological thing, as it's the age at which the reproductive system becomes fully functional and thus the individual seeks mating. A teenager could use his age as an excuse for something like indecent public behavior and any psychologist would endorse that excuse. This, however, has little impact on being able to rationalize cases like the crime we were discussing earlier.
Thursday, 04-Sep-14 19:17:59 UTC from web-
@nerthos Thank you for elaborating
Thursday, 04-Sep-14 19:18:56 UTC from web
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@broniebrown That is really harsh, perhaps because the victim’s dad was shot and almost killed by the police SWAT team. But you’re right—the young man will gain no life experience in prison—he’ll be a 40 year old with no connection to the world around him.
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@lnxw48 The fact that the father was shot by the policemen is a different problem entirely (trigger-happy policemen). I guess I'll stop talking about it because I can't change a society.
Thursday, 04-Sep-14 20:21:45 UTC from Choqok-
@broniebrown Kid totally deserved that prison sentence. What a apples head.
Thursday, 04-Sep-14 20:25:57 UTC from web-
@broniebrown is right, though. With a teen, you should almost always try to teach him/her to make better choices and become a productive part of society. This sentence fails to do that.
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@lnxw48 I like to think of this sentence as a warning to all the other idiots who have been doing apples like this recently. The kid is the first person ever to get convicted for pulling this kind of prank, and now people are gonna start realizing that they can and will be convicted for this. The streamer's dad could totally have been shot dead because of this idiot.
Thursday, 04-Sep-14 20:42:19 UTC from web
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