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Please guys, tell me how to make things appear xD
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:09:28 UTC from web-
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:10:07 UTC from web
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@scribus That's exactly my problem. I want them. I want to experience everything.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:11:07 UTC from web-
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:13:11 UTC from web
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@scribus Good idea. I'll have to.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:14:10 UTC from web
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@nerthos better question is to know how to put them away first
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:10:46 UTC from StatusNet iPhone-
@renovatedkitchen Why would I want that. From every bad experience I had, I reaped so many benefits. Just imagine the potential.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:11:46 UTC from web-
@nerthos believe me. You will want to know. Or at least choose who you deal with.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:13:04 UTC from StatusNet iPhone-
@renovatedkitchen I have this lead, my friend. The ones at his house don't attack. I'll start trying to make them show themselves.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:15:02 UTC from web-
@nerthos okay, but like I say, google a way to repel them at a later time if necessary, because sometimes they can be attracted to you and such.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:16:43 UTC from StatusNet iPhone-
@renovatedkitchen Of course. I need a way to defeat them, right?
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:17:52 UTC from web-
@nerthos more just to drive them away. A better idea would be to protect yourself from the beginning or educate yourself about what you are getting into. It's very different.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:18:56 UTC from StatusNet iPhone-
@renovatedkitchen How am I supposed to get a bad experience if I'm protected?
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:19:55 UTC from web-
@nerthos to protect them from manifesting in you. I'm being serious with you. Of course it all depends on what the purpose of those spirits are. I'm not picky about talking about many subjects, but this one I'm sensitive to.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:21:17 UTC from StatusNet iPhone-
@renovatedkitchen Why wouldn't you share your knowledge?
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:22:45 UTC from web-
@nerthos because I screwed up big time when I was into that kind of stuff. Lead to one of my suicide attempts. Now I just deal with the crap I have
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:24:00 UTC from StatusNet iPhone-
@renovatedkitchen Aww man. How can I convince you of sharing some?
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:24:36 UTC from web-
@nerthos to be honest, I cannot remember lots of the stuff (they don't lie when they say if you're going to take your life, make sure you do it right), I was really interested in that kinda stuff. I had some things happen here and there, but it wasn't enough. Cousin convinced me to look into dark spirits and such. Bad things. I'm in tears and shaking now. I'll write more out later if that's okay
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:27:44 UTC from StatusNet iPhone-
@renovatedkitchen As soon as you're ok, please give me some leads. To all.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:28:40 UTC from web-
@nerthos Can you do zen meditation?
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:29:22 UTC from web-
@hakupony I don't know how it works, never looked into it.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:30:20 UTC from web-
@nerthos I believe it could aid you well for spiritual defense. I experienced Shunyata before (but I could not reead that state of mind) and let's just say it is very good if something really is on your mind, hurting you.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:36:36 UTC from web-
@hakupony Carry on please.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:37:54 UTC from web
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@nerthos don't do the route I did. Play safe please.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:29:57 UTC from StatusNet iPhone-
@renovatedkitchen I don't play if I cannot win.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:30:32 UTC from web-
@nerthos trust me. Take it slow.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:31:16 UTC from StatusNet iPhone-
@renovatedkitchen Why would I do anything fast?
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:32:21 UTC from web-
@nerthos just want you to be okay
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:33:50 UTC from StatusNet iPhone-
@renovatedkitchen I'm always OK. I think I've shown it enough. I might be arrogant, forward, press my will against those of others at times; but I never get on anything from a position of disvantage.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:35:30 UTC from web-
@nerthos listen to hakupony. It's very different.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:37:14 UTC from StatusNet iPhone-
@renovatedkitchen Will do.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:37:46 UTC from web
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@renovatedkitchen Hey, are you okay? Dark Spirits are some very serious things with which to mess around.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:31:55 UTC from web-
@dlcentaur yes. I don't like to think about it though. When I awknoladge it, I have like a screaming inside my mind
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:33:01 UTC from StatusNet iPhone-
@renovatedkitchen I'm sorry for talking about it more... but you realize that if you open yourself to evil spirits, they will most certainly come AND stay until you make them go away. I don't want to force my beliefs on you, but I want to tell you what I believe is the only way to rid yourself of them. Are you okay with me saying something, or not?
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:35:33 UTC from web-
@dlcentaur sure. I try to rid of it.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:36:42 UTC from StatusNet iPhone-
@renovatedkitchen I believe that truly and willfully accepting Jesus Christ as your personal savior, asking him to forgive your sins, and THEN commanding the evil spirit to leave you in the name of Jesus- are the only ways to 100% rid yourself of a spirit. However, once if you are a Christian, these spirits will most certainly be your enemies (not that they aren't already).
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:42:00 UTC from web-
@dlcentaur I am Christian. Although I don't believe in the church itself, I believe in everything else. I've done that too. AND I've done the prayer to St. Micheal. If it has left, it's like manifested in my mind. Stuck there
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:44:03 UTC from StatusNet iPhone-
@renovatedkitchen Prayer to Saint Michael? What about a prayer from your heart to Jesus? Some spirits are harder to drive out than others. Even Jesus' own disciples had troubles driving them out. It may take some time and some effort, but keep at it!
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:46:50 UTC from web-
@dlcentaur I do. It's one of the ways I can keep my sanity at times
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:47:51 UTC from StatusNet iPhone-
@renovatedkitchen Well, believe it or not, I know exactly how you feel. I've had some dark experiences in the (recent)) past as well. Do you mind if I pray for you? :3
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:49:41 UTC from web-
@dlcentaur I would love that
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:50:05 UTC from StatusNet iPhone-
@renovatedkitchen #Hugs I'll get to praying right now. :D
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:51:32 UTC from web
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@dlcentaur my experience has been that some spirits will part by righteous faith, but there are some which require greater degrees of faith, namely prayer and fasting. Others still may require group effort.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:49:03 UTC from web-
@pony @renovatedkitchen @dlcentaur I believe that religion can be a valid path to what some people call enlightment. It is not the "one true way", you just have to see what works for you. I personally believe it is nternal strength of the human mind but it could also be the assistance of Jesus. How should we know? What matters is that it helps you.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:51:52 UTC from web-
@hakupony I respect your beliefs, but I do not believe similarly. ^-^ I believe that Jesus was, is, and forever will be the only way, truth, and light.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:53:31 UTC from web -
@hakupony "If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things." (Joseph Smith Jr.)
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:55:15 UTC from web -
@hakupony I believe in one truth or one reality, but I believe in drawing on as many sources as I can to understand that truth
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:56:10 UTC from web-
@pony I believe that reality is an illusion. Everything we believe to be true is constructed by how we view and explain things. This is why I am interested in the metal-level. To understand how we create our "realities" and where the differences are. Of course, I have to work under the assumption that there is some truth on the level I am thinking then but in the next step, i will try to challenge this truth as well.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:59:33 UTC from web-
@hakupony You know, the bases of our theories and ways are pretty much the same.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 09:00:26 UTC from web-
@nerthos This kind of surprises me because you seem to have a very strong believe in absolute justice.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 09:04:08 UTC from web-
@hakupony Yes, for I see it as the way in wich this illusory reality could work properly.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 09:05:05 UTC from web
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@hakupony By challenging perspectives we can learn a lot. Despite the confusion surrounding truth, though, there must be a constant or everything would be chaos I feel.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 09:05:09 UTC from web-
@pony There appears to be a limit to the randomness. But this does not mean that there is something that does not change - it could also mean thaat changes took time. So what I would call "true" is: the existance of time and thoughts. This is the "truth" I could not yet deny.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 09:09:47 UTC from web-
@hakupony the simple fact that all is not chaos, that there is any order at all, suggests to me that there must be some constant. I can't realistically imagine the lack of a constant truth.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 09:16:01 UTC from web-
@hakupony I feel it must be either all chaos or that there must be a constant, not in-between, and since there appears to be order, I'm led to believe in a constant
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 09:17:17 UTC from web-
@pony So I'd ask why you even us the dualism of chaos and contants. Most orders you have are constitute by changes. Just look at life. Is there one point where you do not change? Or democracy: here, the rulers, he laws and (seldom) the constitution change. Yet, it still is the same thing.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 09:20:24 UTC from web-
@hakupony by "not in-between" I mean that I can't imagine the existence of order in any degree of complexity without some constant that exists unaffected by randomness or chaos. Change certainly exists, and there are varying degrees of change. Some things seem to be chaotic or random, especially human agency, but one thing seems to remain constant to me, which is love. I can't imagine the nature of love changing. Maybe that's just me though. I feel so confused right now
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 09:42:31 UTC from web-
@pony Love is a lie people tell one another to try and pretend that we are not all fundamentally alone.
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@ceruleanspark No.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 09:45:42 UTC from web -
@ceruleanspark You can choose to believe that, but being at odds with the love leads to nowhere happy. The only evidence I have that Love is real is the joy and peace I feel from seeking it, and that's good enough for me.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 09:48:13 UTC from web
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@pony The beginning of hilosophy is getting confused :9 I could very well imagine a world without love - or even without living things to love each other.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 09:45:06 UTC from web -
@pony You're just twisting words around now.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 09:45:32 UTC from web-
@toksyuryel words are twisty things. As soon as words become un-twisty, I'll stop. Until then I'm just doing the best I can to make sense.. honest. I hope you'll pardon me if I'm not perfect in that regard.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 09:52:38 UTC from web
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@pony By its very nature of representing infinite possibility, order must exist within chaos for the simple fact that it is a possibility.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 09:17:27 UTC from web-
@toksyuryel I think so too.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 09:18:00 UTC from web-
@pony You may have misread, I was disagreeing with you.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 09:19:29 UTC from web
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@toksyuryel I mean that order is the only possibility within infinite possibilities that would lead to existence
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 09:19:34 UTC from web-
@pony Within an infinite chaos, all possibilities MUST exist, including complex order. Order and chaos are not in opposition to one another- rather, chaos gives birth to order.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 09:21:37 UTC from web-
@toksyuryel It sounds like you're saying that there is order within chaos. Is that right? I don't see how that contradicts what I believe.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 09:33:57 UTC from web-
@pony I'm saying that order is a natural result of chaos- you're saying that it's not and instead the result of an outside influence acting upon it.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 09:38:06 UTC from web-
@toksyuryel Out of curiosity, what's the effective difference between chaos giving birth to order and an outside force creating order?
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 09:56:11 UTC from web-
@pony An outside force carries with it a multitude of implications and assumptions, none of which are present when it is simply natural. These are things you should be able to test for.
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@pony Chaos giving birth to order doesn't need to have any sense, but an outside force creating order means that order fits with the forse imposing it.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 09:58:07 UTC from web-
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 09:58:51 UTC from web
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@nerthos @toksyuryel I think even if I were well rested and on Ritalin right now, I'd have extreme difficulty understanding how chaos creates order. As it is, infinite probability doesn'
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 10:02:29 UTC from web-
@pony It's basic set theory. Think of chaos as an infinite set of possibilities. Being an infinite set, it includes everything that can be described as "possible". All forms of order, being "possible", are therefore part of this infinite set.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 10:04:29 UTC from web-
@toksyuryel Wouldn't that set also contain itself?
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@ceruleanspark If can be called possible, then yes. And I personally do think it is possible.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 10:06:55 UTC from web
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@toksyuryel @pony which brings me to the second level: how our mind works. Our mind brings order to what we see with applying some attributes to it. Kant named this attributes: Quantity of Judgment, Quality, Relation and Modality. Out of this four things, we construct an order. it is just an explaination on how we perceive and exlain what there is. We survive, because this method works. So the state of things and our construted "truth" work with each other. This is what we call "order", but it des not mean that this order will be eternal and that future will have life as we know it or even be understandable by how we think. With all our science, we still don't know how the Singularity before the big bang was - maybe because our idea of "order" does not work for that time :)
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 10:15:38 UTC from web-
@hakupony @pony In simpler terms this is called "pattern recognition". It's something humans are too good at, in that we frequently see patterns where none exist. Luckily we are creatures of reason and thus capable of evaluating which patterns may be false positives.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 10:17:25 UTC from web
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@pony It actually is pretty simple. If everthing could happen, then sometime, there would be something we call order. This order may not last forever and only be a temporary state of things, but if chaos cold not create that state, that would mean that possibilities are limited - which contradicts the idea of chaos.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 10:05:05 UTC from web
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@pony One is a thing that actually happened and the other is a story mankind made up into order to pretend they matter.
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@pony @toksyuryel @nerthos Which is the only reason why this question really matters. If there is that outside force - let's call it God - there is an absolute true reason for the universe which means that there is an absolute true reason for you as art of the universe. Which means you don't give your life meaning yourself.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 10:00:56 UTC from web-
@hakupony I continue to question why a thing must have meaning to exist absent any other considerations.
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@hakupony I have a hunch that there's a force outside of God that give's even God meaning. Either that, or perhaps God has transcended the need for meaning altogether.. though i can't really fathom how.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 10:08:59 UTC from web-
@pony What is this "need for meaning" you speak of? Why must anything have meaning to exist absent other considerations? We can all transcend meaning simply by acknowledging that meaning in a vacuum is wholly *without* meaning.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 10:15:20 UTC from web
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@toksyuryel In additionn, every possibility would seem like order from the inside :)
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 09:21:26 UTC from web-
@hakupony Indeed.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 09:22:05 UTC from web
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@dlcentaur I have been getting better
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:37:43 UTC from StatusNet iPhone -
@dlcentaur I've lost count of the times I would be sitting my by self or lock my self in the washroom just repeating I don't want you, leave me, while crossing myself. After a while it would work, but it always comes back
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:40:52 UTC from StatusNet iPhone
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@nerthos long story short, till this day, I have a dark voice in my head that tells me to do things, questions everything, yells at me and stuff.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:29:08 UTC from StatusNet iPhone-
@renovatedkitchen Similar things happened to me. I could deal with it.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:29:48 UTC from web -
@renovatedkitchen *hugs tight* <3
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:30:26 UTC from web
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@greydragon412 They consider every being to be their enemies. Christians especially, because they HATE God.
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 08:44:56 UTC from web -
@comradeconventrix *looks u* Sex?
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 09:45:18 UTC from web -
@comradeconventrix Yay! Happy fun time!
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 09:54:26 UTC from web -
@greydragon412 @toksyuryel There is no meaning of life, but we can give meaning to it. This is my answer to that big question )
Thursday, 14-Jun-12 10:03:22 UTC from web
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