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mrdragon
Anyone UK side remember the Ghost crew show that used to do sit ins in locations around the UK to check for paranormal activity? They did a 8 days of something tour for Halloween on 09 or 10 I can't remember what they we're called though
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mrdragon
@lyrica Oh that, forgot to email back as @tavi was interesting me with Supernatural things. I don't see what the problem was about it.
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meloetta
@lyrica He's the most hot tempered mod I know here. Maybe except @redenchilada.
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redenchilada
@lyrica I'm more important though. *bricked*
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lyrica
@redenchilada you're more liked ;P
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redenchilada
@hugmaster I'm not hot-tempered. I just like saying "banned". By the way, you're #banned
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meloetta
@redenchilada SONIC SUCKS. SCOOTALOO IS A FAT CHICKEN.
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bitshift
@hugmaster Lies! She's not fat. http://ur1.ca/9qt48
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bitshift
@hugmaster >Red >hot-tempered http://ur1.ca/9qt44
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toksyuryel
@lyrica @mrdragon It'd be nice if there could be some consistency among the mods. It's been happening very frequently recently that an admin will say something is ok only for a mod to get on somebody's case for it as though it were not ok.
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mrdragon
@toksyuryel And if people don't bring it forth to me I'm not a mind reader to know about these things
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toksyuryel
@mrdragon Do you have AIM? I could provide links to conversations whenever I spot it happening.
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@toksyuryel AIM? That's a while out of date isn't it
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@mrdragon No?
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redenchilada
@mrdragon let's use IRC instead
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lyrica
@redenchilada IRC rocks :D
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toksyuryel
@lyrica @redenchilada I do prefer IRC as well I just assumed @mrdragon didn't like it.
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redenchilada
@toksyuryel I've grown used to it as my primary method of real-time communication. (you should get on esper)
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toksyuryel
@redenchilada I was on esper a long time ago. Didn't care for it. These days I'm only on Freenode and FurNET (not counting private IRC networks).
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redenchilada
@toksyuryel Eh, it's got issues (like seriously why does it only have +v and +o) but it's the only well-known network I'm on. (Of course, I could always pitch StormBit since a friend keeps nagging me to get more people on there. c:?)
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toksyuryel
@redenchilada canternet?
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redenchilada
@toksyuryel I used to be on there until I realized I never did _anything_ on it, I didn't know anyone there, and they kept triggering my alert with annoying "hello"s and "howdy do"s. I suppose if I have a reason to be on it I can re-add it to my autojoin list, though.
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toksyuryel
@redenchilada Oh, well if they keep triggering alerts like that they're probably not so good then. Hmm.
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redenchilada
@toksyuryel It's probably the channels I'm on. :/ If you know of any good channels on that network that aren't #EquestriaDaily, I'll hop on them, I guess?
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toksyuryel
@redenchilada Well I've never actually been there so I don't know. Was just trying to throw out ideas that are actually pony-related.
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redenchilada
@toksyuryel Oh. As far as what I'm using at the moment, all I'm connected to are Esper and StormBit. :/ I suppose it's no real hassle to add another, though.
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lyrica
@redenchilada pfft, I'm on Xelium, Rizon, Esper, Mysteria, Efnet, Canternet, Stormbit, and badnik, and that's all I'm willing to say ;P
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@lyrica How are you on all of those and *not* Freenode?
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@toksyuryel because the channels I were part of on there shut down or moved
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@lyrica One of the IRC networks I'm on I'm not even in any channels, I'm just there so I can chat with people I only know on there.
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@toksyuryel lol
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@lyrica Also, I would mention the channel I was on (on Rizon), but mentioning it by name would break several of said channel's own rules (strict, but I do kinda get the reasoning, so I'll stick to it, even though I don't go there any more) and possibly one of RDN's rules too, so... yeah, not happening. :<
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lyrica
@redenchilada pfft, I've been using IRC long before you =P
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@lyrica and I've been using RDN long before you so HA. :'c
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@redenchilada I've been using my TF2 skills before you.
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@redenchilada maybe, but I can say I've been using the internet since you were a little baby HA
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@lyrica And I've been using IRC since *probably* long before you, just not on the same channels/servers. :P
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bitshift
@lyrica I've been using it since nearly the turn of the millennium, though, so I've been on IRC in some form for more than half of my life thus far.
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toksyuryel
@bitshift Looks like you win! I started using it in either 2002 or 2003.
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redenchilada
@toksyuryel @bitshift @lyrica I've only been on since '07/'08 :c
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@redenchilada SON I AM DISAPOINT!
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@redenchilada @bitshift @lyrica I've actually been meaning to switch to XMPP for years now, but haven't found a good textmode client for it yet. I think weechat actually supports it but I've been lazy and have neglected to look into how to make that work.
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@toksyuryel is it sad I've been using mIRC almost all of it's life? before that I used some dos based client
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@lyrica Yes, very sad. mIRC is so awful ☹
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@toksyuryel xchat 4 lief
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@redenchilada Well at least it's better than mIRC.
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@toksyuryel "At least"? Everyone I know on IRC whines at me if I'm not on XChat.
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@toksyuryel pfft I prefer it's simple ui and settings options, and I love it's scripting options
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@lyrica Just about every IRC client has better scripting than mIRC does.
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@toksyuryel perhaps, but I'd rather not loose my scripts, and don't want to learn a new one
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@toksyuryel wat es
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@toksyuryel Have you tried mcabber? I really liked it, but since I don't know anyone on a Jabber/XMPP network that I don't also know elsewhere, that kinda fizzled out.
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@bitshift I've looked into it before. I don't remember why I decided against it, some feature or another was not to my liking but I can't recall which.
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@toksyuryel Hm. I assume by now you've tried just combining bitlbee with your already established IRC setup (and since you're still looking, presumably found that lacking)?
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@bitshift Yeah, tried that already with google talk. Oh god it was so awful.
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@toksyuryel And yet, still miles ahead of its StatusNet support (_that_ is the real horror story about bitlbee).
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@bitshift I caught a glimpse of that when I tried to use it for twitter. *shudder* y'all need to get identicurse 0.10 out so I can start using it!
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@toksyuryel Oh no no no, you're still seeing only a fraction of its awfulness. Imagine the twitter support... minus any official documentation, and minus any support for not sending your password in plaintext. That's how bitlbee's SN support is.
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@bitshift And probably no support for openid login.
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@toksyuryel I'm reminded of the time Cerulean disabled OpenID support on the site
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@redenchilada I'd have never registered if that was off when I first came here.
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@toksyuryel Hey, no one thought anyone used it and it was turned back on as soon as (you?) complained about it. What's the big deal with that anyway?
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@redenchilada I believe we have already discussed why openid is a step forward compared to registering a new account on every website.
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@toksyuryel It's the newest method of usiing the same password everywhere, making it easier than ever for someone who cracks one of your passwords to take over the rest of your internet identity? :p (don't mind me I'm just old-fashioned)
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@redenchilada Except it isn't. The problem with using the same password everywhere is that if any of those sites is compromised, then the attackers have your password for everything. With openid, NONE of those sites have your password and therefore one them being compromised does not compromise any other sites you're on.
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@toksyuryel So... what happens if your OpenID provider is compromised? :P
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@bitshift This would be why it's not quite ideal, but it's a step up because you can at least use a provider that actually puts some effort into securing their service (unlike most sites where they just store passwords in plaintext or use weak hashes). @redenchilada SSH keys would be a further step forward, and something I'd love to be able to use. Right now they're a big hassle to make work though. I know Eevee's done some work on that for one of his projects.
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@toksyuryel Hehe, secure password storage is actually something I've been trying to look into, since I'm interested in setting up a password-based system for the high-score boards in a project I'm working on. (or maybe SSH key-based? :V)
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@redenchilada First tip: no matter how much time it saves you, NEVER use md5 for anything password-related in this day and age. SHA1 or stronger (where stronger == mathematically proven to take longer to crack a password) is a _minimum_.
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@bitshift SHA1 is now considered as bad as MD5, actually. SHA2 is the current recommendation.
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@toksyuryel Oh? Well, that's not great. || @redenchilada So yeah, what he said.
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@bitshift That's probably the only thing I've learned from Google. x_x Encryption is a highly-confusing concept to me, and I don't wanna get it wrong.
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@redenchilada Secondly: do not store passwords, ever. Store hashes. If what you store can be turned back into the password, you have already failed.
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@bitshift That's common sense. Come on, I _have_ common sense.
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@bitshift only backup of my passwords is an "encripted" piece of paper I keep under my keyboard, and the symbol translations are kept in a secret location, and the translations are also encryped with the code for that in my head
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@lyrica The translations aren't just ROT13'd are they
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@redenchilada I didn't even know of ROT13 until I came here, so no, they are a modified mixture of Ancient Greek Symbols, and my own
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@redenchilada ROT13 can actually be pretty strong if you don't know the alphabet being used. Of course this would be security through obscurity, which is frowned upon.
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@toksyuryel I learned about that from a fiction novel, funnily enough. ^_^
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@toksyuryel Yep. And that's why I still favour long random per-site passwords, plus a password store heavily encrypted with a strong master password that lives in only one place - if I'm gonna use a system with a single point of failure, I'd prefer for that single point to be inside my head.
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@bitshift If I could set something like that up I'd probably use it too. Any tips and recommendations?
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@toksyuryel Well, right now I use Lastpass, since it does syncing and browser integration (i.e., auto-generate passwords during registration, auto-fill login forms). I'm usually wary of that much centralisation, but the encryption/decryption stage is all on the client end, so all Lastpass stores is a blob that can't be actually used without my master password.
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@bitshift Can I use an SSH key as the master password?
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@toksyuryel I don't believe so, no. And as for portage, it wouldn't be in there, since it's something you install as an extension to your browser of choice - it's intended primarily for passwords for websites.
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@bitshift Oh, it's a browser extension? I had no idea.
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@bitshift Bah, lastpass isn't in portage >.<;
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@toksyuryel If, even with that, you don't like the centralization, there's a couple of local-only solutions with most of the same features (minus the syncing, obviously). Keepass is the one that comes to mind immediately, though I know it's not the only one.
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@toksyuryel And if OpenID is compromised? I do remember the last time this was brought up, and using SSH keys is something I can get behind, but OID doesn't seem like the answer to me.
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@redenchilada GET OUT OF MY HEAD
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@bitshift :<
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@toksyuryel except that it does, as they can just use your openID on those sites
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@lyrica They can only get that by compromising the openid provider; compromising a site you use openid on does not give them the ability to use your openid.
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@toksyuryel and again, what if they do get that? they can still access your linked accounts
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@lyrica This is why it's not ideal; but it's a step forward in the right direction. An ideal system would be one which utilizes asymmetric keys for authorization and that mitigates the MITM problem as much as possible (this is an architectural problem which has no true solution).
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@redenchilada I agree with you fully, it's as terrible as linking with facebook on every site
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@lyrica of course, I've linked my steam with too many things to possibly be safe (including facebook :c)
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@redenchilada yeah, my steam is linked to PSN, and Facebook
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@lyrica I've got mine linked to those and I think the StormBit forums too?
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@redenchilada ah
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@toksyuryel I remember trying to get an IRC channel together for the staff to get their stuff together on what was and wasn't allowed. It never got anywhere! :(
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@toksyuryel @mrdragon that's why I emailed MrDragon about it, I wanted clarification. And Red agreed that I should.
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