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Monday, 04-Apr-11 23:23:56 UTC from web-
@greydragon412 I guess the show completely avoids religion except for broad culturally ubiquitous things like the funeral in the background of one of the s2 episodes and (i think) when somepony used Celestia's name in lieu of OMG.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 22:31:17 UTC from web-
@pony Also the two Celestia-based variations on "as God is my witness": http://youtu.be/ZZlF3yIBh9w http://youtu.be/f_XVZPeohfg
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 22:35:39 UTC from web-
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 22:39:00 UTC from web
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@greydragon412 pfft! xD http://rainbowdash.net/file/purplephish20-20120613T151644-dnsju59.jpeg It's better that it's avoided so that the show can thrive more fully among all populations. I have some awesome Bible cartoons though that I'll be forcing my future kids to watch.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 22:37:36 UTC from web -
@greydragon412 http://ur1.ca/9u51q "in 20 years"
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 22:42:16 UTC from web -
@greydragon412 :3 Of course, I'll teach them to seek out all truth, because that's what true religion should be. That truth can be found in many faiths and philosophies. I think it's basically impossible not to educate children about religion. Even never teaching them means teaching then that religion should be avoided or is unimportant which is still teaching them about religion.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 22:43:13 UTC from web-
@pony As with sex ed, it's not something to be teached to young kids. It's important, yes, but should be touched only when they're a bit older. Religion is full of concepts difficult even for adults, teaching a kid about them will never be good.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 22:45:53 UTC from web-
@nerthos @greydragon412 There's nothing to be feared about knowledge. Only how it's used. For me, teaching religion also means teaching charity, love, patience, kindness, etc. Children are much smarter than most give them credit for. I believe they can handle doctrine (and sex ed for that matter) at a basic level from the time they learn to communicate.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 22:51:12 UTC from web-
@pony They are smart, yes, but they can barely comprehend concepts like absolute, which are an enigma for most people. You can teach them moral values, but not religion, and only tell them about religion and mythology once they've grown up. Just forcing them "facts" that they don't understand, but telling them not to doubt them, will only hinder their mental growth.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 22:54:01 UTC from web
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@greydragon412 I saw it this morning. It's so accurate.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 22:44:19 UTC from web -
@greydragon412 Ah se.. so you admit we should teach our children about religion, even if it's just that it's unimportant.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 22:45:20 UTC from web -
@greydragon412 myeah.. I don't mean to nitpick, I just mean that there's a message being sent whether you teach about something or not.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 22:52:11 UTC from web -
@greydragon412 It's in the scriptures, so I don't see why not. Kids may not understand it fully until they get a bit older, but death and war due to religious and other conflict is a reality for which I hope to prepare them. I'm not going to say "Go become part of the problem." obviously.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 22:54:33 UTC from web-
@pony There are older texts that tell of different thruths, so by that concept you should teach them about each of them, disregarding personal preference.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 22:56:13 UTC from web
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@greydragon412 That's also a possible message, yes. But I believe religion is important for everypony regardless of age.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 22:56:54 UTC from web -
@greydragon412 Exactly. A kid can shoot a .22 rifle, but that doesn't mean you should give one to your 6 years old kid.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 22:56:59 UTC from web -
@greydragon412 Or teach about religions that promote peace and personal growth, instead of conflict.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 22:58:03 UTC from web -
@greydragon412 And it's based on the concept of men reaching a higher existance by peace, meditation and learning. It's perfect.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:01:19 UTC from web -
@greydragon412 @nerthos The purpose of teaching is to convey truth. If the truth is that one religion leads ponies to a miserable existence because of their actions and beliefs, then I'll teach that certainly, but there are things about religion that bring great joy and peace. I would go into an explanation of why there's suffering in the world, but i dunno if RDN is the place for it.. sensitive ponies n such.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:01:51 UTC from web-
@pony Religion is a double edged blade. You don't give a vorpal sword to a kid who can't handle a knife.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:03:02 UTC from web-
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:03:56 UTC from StatusNet Android
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@carcino If I had a vorpal sword, this world would be very different. Anyway, why do you need one?
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:05:20 UTC from web-
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:07:17 UTC from StatusNet Android
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@carcino Use a hammer.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:08:02 UTC from web-
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:08:49 UTC from StatusNet Android
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@carcino Do you know how dangerous it is to wield one? You cut yourself with it, even a scratch, and you're dead.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:11:00 UTC from web-
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:12:29 UTC from StatusNet Android
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@carcino Torch it with propane.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:13:03 UTC from web-
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:14:52 UTC from StatusNet Android
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@carcino That gas used to cook. You know, in the white steel containers.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:18:32 UTC from web-
@nerthos Nerthos, I want it to die the most painful death possible, I don't want to torture the damn thing.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:24:52 UTC from web-
@carcino A vorpal sword would kill it instantly.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:25:17 UTC from web-
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:25:53 UTC from web
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@nerthos That sounds like an exaggeration. How can religion taught with love and respect to a child could really hurt that child.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:05:37 UTC from web-
@pony Because of how it's taught. Because of the rules of that religion. Because of the nature of it, and the rule of "Don't doubt, have faith, because it's true even if we can't see it". That teaches the kids that complete obedience is right.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:07:47 UTC from web-
@nerthos I don't see anything wrong with obedience to God. My faith teaches that we should seek to know him personally though, not just believe in something that we can't see. We believe in receiving personal divine revelation through feelings that come through the Holy Ghost.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:12:04 UTC from web-
@pony It is still blind obedience. We don't live in a world of only god, we live in a world of men. And that's a easily exploitable flaw. The crusades, for example, were a result of this.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:14:18 UTC from web-
@nerthos If we seek to know God personally, we donn't have to rely on men. That's clearly the ideal I shoot for, and why I'll teach my children to do the same at the youngest age possible.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:17:26 UTC from web-
@pony Teach them, yes, but once they've developed their own minds and toughts. Once they know other influences, and not just that one. That's the point of waiting. So they can choose they own ways. If God gives us free will, then why would you want to neglect your kids the possibility to choose?
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:20:36 UTC from web-
@nerthos Children need religion to get by. It's as useful to them as the alphabet and reading. I see no reason to wait on giving them a tool that will improve their life.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:24:45 UTC from web-
@pony Yes, but teach them many religions, not just one. Otherwise you're just influencing them towards the one you like.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:26:15 UTC from web-
@nerthos It'd probably help to explain that I see religion and behavior in general as practically the same thing. I'll certainly teach them about human behavior in its entirety as they seem willing to learn, but it's my duty to teach them which behavior will lead them to happiness, whether it's part of my religion or not.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:33:02 UTC from web-
@pony I'll finish with this. Teach them your values, but don't mention god until they're like, 12 years old at least.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:34:49 UTC from web-
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:36:14 UTC from web
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Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:26:52 UTC from web
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@purplephish20 Please reply with politeness and arguments, otherwise this will devolve into a flamewar and the mods will start banning people and strenghtening the rules.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:28:12 UTC from web-
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:29:22 UTC from web
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@pony [citation needed]
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:29:58 UTC from web-
@toksyuryel #hugs how's it goin?
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:34:00 UTC from web-
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:35:06 UTC from web
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@cajunbrony23 I'm dandy! you?
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:35:28 UTC from web-
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:35:37 UTC from web
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@cajunbrony23 doing any better
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:36:57 UTC from web-
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:37:27 UTC from web
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@cajunbrony23 good to hear :)
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:37:57 UTC from web
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@cajunbrony23 that's great to hear :)
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:38:55 UTC from web-
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:39:40 UTC from web
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@cajunbrony23 glad your feeling better
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:43:31 UTC from web-
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:44:02 UTC from web
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@cajunbrony23 yea haha :)
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:44:52 UTC from web-
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:45:42 UTC from web
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@cajunbrony23 I'm doing alright at the moment
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:46:40 UTC from web
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@greydragon412 Nothing bad can come out of it. Try if you like.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:04:40 UTC from web -
@greydragon412 There's that too.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:05:37 UTC from web -
@greydragon412 again.. RDN isn't really the place to explain it, but if you're really interested you could always do research.. You're not the first to ask these questions.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:06:51 UTC from web -
@greydragon412 Like I said, I would teach them about that strife, but I'd do so with love and respect for all ponies.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:08:28 UTC from web -
@greydragon412 I understand you don't want to be convinced. I'm only responding to your comments. I mean you no ill will. :) I differentiate between loving and respecting Hitler as a human being, and loving and respecting what he did.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:14:30 UTC from web -
@greydragon412 I differentiate because I believe a person can change who they are without changing their past. I identify myself according to my intentions rather than my actions.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:19:50 UTC from web -
@greydragon412 Man, where's a popcorn image when I need one.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:20:53 UTC from web -
@greydragon412 If that's what you honestly believe I want to teach people then I'm not surprised you're so outspoken against it, but I expect better from you. I have a hard time believing that you really believe that though. -- Still, one's intentions may change even if they were unworthy intentions in the past.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:23:11 UTC from web -
@greydragon412 I meant to imply that we should rely on God for spiritual strength etc.. not for everything.. I'm afraid this is getting a little out of hand. Go ahead and say whatever you want. I think I'll stop now
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:28:18 UTC from web-
@pony I should correct myself. Relying on God, means relying on others too for support often. God works through others.. anyway I'm done
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:29:43 UTC from web
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@greydragon412 This seems to be getting into the realm of personal attacks. Tone it down a bit.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:29:08 UTC from web -
@greydragon412 There I agree, but the more information they have to make that choice, the better.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:35:03 UTC from web -
@greydragon412 depends on how you define opinion.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:39:39 UTC from web -
@greydragon412 depends how you define proven and fact.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:40:40 UTC from web -
@greydragon412 ah ok then.. I believe in sharing opinion with children, but only teaching fact as truth.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:47:18 UTC from web -
@greydragon412 Good advice. I do intend to only teach what i know from personal experience as fact. The rest I'll certainly attempt to disclaim.
Thursday, 26-Jul-12 23:52:26 UTC from web
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