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Well if the Washington Post now openly calls Obama a Conservative, think of what that means for a second. It means that the best stabled horse in the DNC is way too far to the right of what the DNC wants themselves.
I wonder what is next. Are they going to throw him out ? Or throw allegories at him as they chant "We know why you did not fix racism, You right wing asshole !" Obviously not, but just think for a second, how crazy is that, Obama a conservative...
I sure hope he was not a conservative when going up against John McCain. I mean, what would he be by this measuring stick ? My money is somewhere in between a Inquisitor from the W40K universe and a big wooden T in someone's backyard, that might be on fire.
I hope you all can get a chuckle out of this. Except that article, no, that article is real I'm afraid.Sunday, 24-Nov-19 23:46:35 UTC from web-
@drinkingpony You don't seem to grok how ultra-conservative the US conservatives are, an American "liberal" can still totally be (and all too often is) still pretty damned right-of-center on a global scale.
Sunday, 24-Nov-19 23:57:58 UTC from web-
@scribus Oh no, I understand that. I just have a hard time wrapping my head around the optics of public opinion regarding the topic.
I mean take a look at http://rainbowdash.net/url/875337 ( it is a graph taken from http://rainbowdash.net/url/875338 ) If your political compass put you slightly on the left of Obama and then you voted for Obama in 2008, that if your political compass remained somewhat the same that you would be WAY closer to the Republicans than you would to the Democrats in 2016. Heck Obama took in unaffiliated people to the white house and still made a left turn according to this graph alone.
If you do not agree with that graph, it is a fact that Democrats in America are extremely fast in swaying more and more liberal. Public perception can not keep up, and now Obama is a concervative. The historian in me does not like this one bitMonday, 25-Nov-19 11:38:05 UTC from web-
@drinkingpony Wow, you understand it? I mean, I've accepted it as a fact and all, but I've never been able to wrap my head around the insanities of the American gen pop. I guess at least the Dems do try, but I'd rather see them split into the Moderate and the Progressive parties, get Green going a little better, maybe let the Libertarians replace the GOP, and add a real-deal Socialist party. This "coin-toss democracy" is a crotch.
Monday, 25-Nov-19 16:49:07 UTC from web-
@scribus I understand how the system came to be and why parties in the USA are 'fighting' the way that they do. In the very short and crude way of explaining, it is a republic that had a weird evolutionary step a LONG time ago that is sort of centered around the Federalist Party and their opponents the anti-administration party. How they were the classical conservatives of that era ( 1789-ish ) while their opponents were Jeffersonianist Populists ( which later became a formal party called the Jefferson's Republic Party ). and bam, there you have it. The foundation of why there are pretty much only two parties in America back then. I do not remember what effect being a minister to the court of versailles during Guerre de la Première but as you can probably guess it was a big reason to get in line with either party A or party B. As such the die was cast. Untill the first third party stood up, the Anti-Masonic Party.
and then it got ALL muddy when WHIG had 4 nominees in 1832.Monday, 25-Nov-19 22:23:48 UTC from web-
@drinkingpony Hell, noone is going to read that. the TL;DR version is that 3th parties can not work as intended when the established big-shots are polarised around a handfull of topics.
And in most other democratic focussed countries you have many smaller political parties that have to huddle around and negociate with one-another untill they have formed a coalition or opposition.
Both systems have flaws.
The Internet just served for one thing, to make it more apparent, but noone is closer to a sollution. Politics is way too grounded in tradition to change with anything other than revolutions.Monday, 25-Nov-19 22:28:22 UTC from web
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@drinkingpony The current Democratic front-runner, Obama’s Vice President, is running on a platform slightly to the left of Obama’s 2008 platform. I would still call him center-right.
Monday, 25-Nov-19 00:28:26 UTC from web-
@mrmattimation I'm afraid to ask what you think of Jimmy Carter.
Monday, 25-Nov-19 11:02:17 UTC from web-
@drinkingpony I have no opinion on a guy who was President twenty years before I was born.
Monday, 25-Nov-19 20:40:22 UTC from web-
@mrmattimation Yeahh... There are 2 ways that could go. Either you never knew who the most Liberal American president in the past 100 years was and do not care, or you are going to give the same answer regarding who won the German federal election in 1933.
But who cares right ? this was all way before you were born.
I disagree to that fully. To know what do or think in the now you must realize how things got to be in that position in the first place. Else you might as well try to make a car with square wheels.
And I am sorry for invoking godwins law on this one but you really should know your classics if you want to even approach something like calling Obama a Conservative. Heck, you can go all the way and call Al Gore a Reactionary if you want words to lose all meaning.Monday, 25-Nov-19 23:59:05 UTC from web-
@drinkingpony it ain’t that deep chief, you gotta chill the banana out before you injure yourself reaching that far
Tuesday, 26-Nov-19 02:17:05 UTC from web-
@mrmattimation http://rainbowdash.net/url/875342
Boo, he bad, take him away !
Tuesday, 26-Nov-19 10:11:46 UTC from web
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