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Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:20:47 UTC from web
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@lordsombra87 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-98Jg_4p_O8 This is my jam.
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:23:39 UTC from web-
@northernnarwhal Funny.....i was gonna post that next
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:24:07 UTC from web -
@northernnarwhal ill stand on guard for thee to that
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:24:57 UTC from web-
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:25:19 UTC from web
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@northernnarwhal I think we should be one, democratic, accepting nation. No wars over territoy, and world peace may just be achieved
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:26:32 UTC from web-
@awesam15 That would be really awesome. But I feel like that's a bit too optimistic and idealistic for me. Cultural borders will always exist, and those can lead to disagreements which lead to wars.
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:28:31 UTC from web-
@northernnarwhal The International was doing out right up until the first world war, and kinda tried to get back on track but WWII put an end to all that
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:29:38 UTC from web-
@vcgriffin Not to mention the Cold War and Cuban Missile Crisis, the Vietnam War, the Suez Canal Crisis, the Korean War, and just about every war in the Middle East.
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:32:11 UTC from web-
@northernnarwhal that's after things fell apart but before the war and during the inter-war years there was a real growth of socialist society (not to be confused with soviet Russia, witch was rule by commute and got screwed up by Lenin)
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:33:58 UTC from web-
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:34:33 UTC from web
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@northernnarwhal we are doing ok at the moment (*hope everything holds together)
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:35:54 UTC from web-
@vcgriffin Except for North Korea threatening to use Nuclear weapons, the civil war in Syria, and social justice issues worldwide, yeah I guess we're doing alright.
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:39:13 UTC from web-
@northernnarwhal I was talking European land wars. but year the would is pretty screwed. if only we would stop interfering (its all the UK's fault and then the USA)
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:40:19 UTC from web-
@vcgriffin See, I don't quite agree with that. Sometimes we HAVE to interfere to overthrow governments that are oppressing its people. Take the Korean peninsula for example: Had we not intervened in the Korean War, the entire peninsula would be an impoverished Stalinist state.
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:42:54 UTC from web-
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:43:25 UTC from web
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Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:44:09 UTC from web
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@zeldatra Thing is, organizations like the UN have to take action, not specific countries.
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:44:01 UTC from web-
@nerthos I'm fairly certain the UN had as much part in the intervention of the Korean War as the US did.
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:45:15 UTC from web-
@zeldatra Not saying it didn't have a part. I'm just saying it's not the place of any country to go holier than thou and get itself involved with other countries' issues. That only ends up in more wars.
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:46:52 UTC from web-
@nerthos Oh yeah, I agree with that. Understand though, it isn't just the US that pulls that crap. Countries like the UK are just as guilty.
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:49:11 UTC from web-
@zeldatra Yeah, never said they weren't. Vcgriffin pointed out the UK.
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:51:06 UTC from web -
@zeldatra I still think UN Peacekeeping Troops are important, especially to help resolve tough issues around the world.
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:51:19 UTC from web -
@zeldatra The UK is guilty due to its continuing legacy of its Empire (Bahrain, turkey, Syria), and the other half of the middle east has been continuously screwed over by the USA and its own economic interests (Saudi Arabia , Iran)
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:55:05 UTC from web-
@vcgriffin Like I said, it isn't just the USA. The people who believe that the US is solely responsible for unrest in the middle east are just as ignorant as the Americans they're ridiculing.
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:56:52 UTC from web-
@zeldatra have I said that :/. and it have been your fault since the 60's. my god has it been the fault of the USA. Iran had a free and fair democratic government till the CIA disided it liked the Mullah's better. and in IRAQ which was our fault, the uk left it an a stablish state and the USA went and installed Saddam Hussian
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:59:23 UTC from web
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@zeldatra Or if the USA didn't threaten war during the Cuban Missile Crisis, Russia probably would've sent nuclear warheads to Cuba and bad stuff would've gone down.
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:44:31 UTC from web
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@vcgriffin But, Stalin screwed up the societ, not Lenin. Lenin specifically said "I don't want Stalin in power when I die"
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:41:26 UTC from web-
@nerthos Stalin murdocked bananas up yes, but the rules and philosophy of socialism were heavily tainted by Lenin
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:42:47 UTC from web-
@vcgriffin Lenin turned socialism into communism, yes, but considering how the last years of the tsarist Russia were, it was more than justified. The problem was that Stalin made it even worse instead of toning it down over time.
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:45:19 UTC from web
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@northernnarwhal well, people need to grow up and accept others beliefs eh?
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:29:43 UTC from web-
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:31:02 UTC from web
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@northernnarwhal thats it. Im becoming prime minister. my plan will move on from there. Not a dictatorship, but a awakening call
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:32:57 UTC from web
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@awesam15 Well, wait now, who says any one political party is the correct one? We've had some great Republican leaders as well as Democratic leaders.
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:33:11 UTC from web-
@zeldatra why not make a new party? I neveanything about one party being better than the otjers. An equality party.
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:35:14 UTC from web-
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:36:10 UTC from web
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@northernnarwhal equal rights to all. People to have whatever beliefs they want. Respect and harmony between nations
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:39:57 UTC from web-
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:42:34 UTC from web
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@awesam15 If by Equality you mean equality between all political parties, that is literally impossible.
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:36:18 UTC from web-
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:36:57 UTC from web
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Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:37:52 UTC from web
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@zeldatra no. thats not what I meant. A party that supports equality of all humans. Equal rights. Respect. . Equality. And harmony between nations.
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:37:58 UTC from web-
@awesam15 The American Democratic party kinda fills the parameters you're looking for, but like I said, no one political party is the "correct" one.
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:39:26 UTC from web
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@awesam15 The world united into a single nation would be an step forward. Now, if that nation is ruled by democracy, it would be bound to destry itself.
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:42:19 UTC from web-
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:43:20 UTC from web
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@awesam15 Because due to human nature democracy inevitably ends up in the guy with the sweetest words and darkest heart getting to power. What we need is a meritocracy. A systemwhere people get to power by sheer capabilities and merit.
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:48:15 UTC from web
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Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:25:23 UTC from web-
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:25:54 UTC from web
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@pegasusjones petty differences that are uslay caused by money and the land owning classes.
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:38:54 UTC from web -
@pegasusjones I think we're all very fickle creatures, willing to pretend we're working together but eager to power grab and backstab just to get what we want, if we ever shed those basic human traits, then perhaps someday we'll all live in absolute peace and harmony, but that's not happening in any of our lifetimes.
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:39:35 UTC from web -
@pegasusjones Precisely
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:40:51 UTC from web -
@pegasusjones I agree with you there as well. It's in our nature to form our own beliefs, moral, ideas, and opinions.
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:41:53 UTC from web -
@pegasusjones I don't think it's very grim, I like to label it as "realistic".
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:45:01 UTC from web -
@pegasusjones http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIiUqfxFttM Yup, that's life.
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:48:39 UTC from web -
@pegasusjones Thus, a perfect world is literally impossible.
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:50:50 UTC from web -
@pegasusjones A meritocracy only needs to get kickstarted to last for a couple centuries, since it filters itself. It's impossible to keep an organization clean eternally, but it's possible to form an one-generation clean organization.
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:52:26 UTC from web -
@pegasusjones Someone get that novel to the NSA.
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:52:37 UTC from web-
@northernnarwhal Interesting fact. the rights to animal farm is owned by the CIA!
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:56:09 UTC from web
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@pegasusjones @zeldatrawhats funny is that you think it was fair democratic war, rather than a uprising by an oppressed people ruled by a US cherriestat government. US inteventalism for its own interests is on the whole responsible for places in the world we regard as grapesed up and impoverished.
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:52:59 UTC from web-
@vcgriffin Just like Castro's Cuban revolution.
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:54:50 UTC from web -
@vcgriffin USA's puppet governments screw themselves over time though. Just like the whole plan to keep latin america controlled by puppet dictatorships during the cold war, that ended up in Argentina, one of those puppet dictatorships, waging war on the UK, one of USA's closest allies, forcing USA to take a couple steps back and rethink it's whole foreign policy.
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 22:59:27 UTC from web-
@nerthos Its great. Latin america seems to be picking up where international socialism died in 1914
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 23:01:13 UTC from web-
@vcgriffin Latin America is really screwed up by populism and needs a purge. Think of Venezuela and Argentina. They're ruled by outright clown governments, and I know what I'm talking about, liing in one of them.
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 23:03:11 UTC from web
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@pegasusjones I dint mean to get into the blame game, just showing that the UK / USA are both equally responsible. Sorry if it came across otherwise
Thursday, 27-Jun-13 23:02:20 UTC from web
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