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@bitshift Ubuntu just flatout freezes at this point of the installer. Xubuntu seems to go in a perpetual vegetative state where you can move the mouse but nothing really important happens. ( I recon I am going to leave it running when I am going to work in a few minutes )... Right now I have 3 options. Leave my lappy running on [dual-boot] Windows XP and Warty Warthog. Use a diffrent linux distro ( someone recommended trying out Chromium OS. Slackware ( if it is still alive ) Knoppix, DSL, Fedora, Suse and DSL are also on the list of things probably worthy to check out ) ... Or I can take it with me to camp ( www.campzone.nl , should support english language ) having my lappy running as is. At Campzone will be enough purebreed linux guru's there to help me to transform this old beast into something Saddam Hussein wishes he had as main ballistic missile trajectory control unit. Or something.
Monday, 08-Jul-13 11:47:02 UTC from web-
@critialcloudkicker Still running Warty? Ye gods. And hm, if it's a problem one even with Ubuntu, I'd say actual Linux gurus are your best bet if you *do* want to upgrade.
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@bitshift Actually I thought I wanted to get something tangible linux-y several years ago, Warty Warthog, yea must have been around Feb of 2005, to play with and generally learn me a new type of OS. I still want to do that, but I recon all the guides on the internet do expect at least Quattal Quetzal
Monday, 08-Jul-13 11:52:22 UTC from web-
@critialcloudkicker Mm. Warty was already old by the time I even started on Linux (Ubuntu Hardy, 2006-ish), so there's very little chance current guides will cover it.
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@bitshift I started fiddling with it in 1996 or somewhere around SuSe 4.X ... And right now I am still a fiddler because of... Unstable job environment issues, accompanied or tag-teamed by the occassional financial issues or uncertainty whether I am going to have a bed. Yes 17 years of "what in the name of our lord and saviour ( Sombra ? ) is happening now, and where did my free time go ?
Monday, 08-Jul-13 12:00:11 UTC from web
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@critialcloudkicker I don't really recommend Slackware if you're just starting out. It does as little as possible for you, and really requires some heavy-duty Linux knowhow. On the other hand, it would be a damn good way to be sure you learn it...
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@scribus @critialcloudkicker Yeah, Slackware is nice, but *not* something one would typically jump to straight from Ubuntu. Same for Gentoo, my current favorite, except even more so (everything has to be compiled, but if you're able to deal with that, portage uses it to provide really great customizability).
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@bitshift does Portage really offer that much more freedom over dpkg ( Debian Package Management System ) ?
Monday, 08-Jul-13 11:56:16 UTC from web-
@critialcloudkicker It does. The key to it is USE flags - general gist being: you set those up to indicate what features you want, and then programs/libraries/etc. are compiled with different settings depending on those. So for example, pretty much anything using audio on Ubuntu will be built to use pulseaudio. On Gentoo, you could still have that, but you could just as easily have, say, ALSA selected instead, and they'll be built for that.
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@bitshift Well... If I get something to work with like Slackware or Gentoo I am going to be ecstatic ( happy ) when I can read my mail over a terminal window without loading an X or Window environment.
Monday, 08-Jul-13 12:03:41 UTC from web-
@critialcloudkicker You could go without an X environment on pretty much any distro, actually. :V
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@bitshift that is gonna be easier than walking the dog on any out of the box liux distro though
Monday, 08-Jul-13 12:14:33 UTC from web-
@critialcloudkicker Try Lubuntu with LXDE as default desktop https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
Monday, 08-Jul-13 12:27:57 UTC from Choqok
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@critialcloudkicker The trade-off is that with dpkg et al, everything's already compiled on a packager's system, whereas portage compiles then on your machine - it has to do so to be able to change so much - and that's undeniably slower. Probably unbearably slow on the machine you're using.
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@bitshift Pentium 4 2.8GHZ ... not bad now that I actualy look at my proc
Monday, 08-Jul-13 12:04:17 UTC from web-
@critialcloudkicker Compiling still ain't gonna be fast on that. 2+ cores is about the minimum for acceptable speed these days.
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@bitshift Hmm, say are all dual core and above processors automatically 64 bit ?
Monday, 08-Jul-13 12:15:00 UTC from web-
@critialcloudkicker Any that you can actually buy as a non- industrial buyer are, at least. (So yes.)
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@bitshift I keep meaning to get more into Arch, myself, but I just haven't had the time & I really need my computer to be *working* so... not yet.
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@bitshift @scribus To be completely honest, though I am okay with Gentoo somewhat, I am beginning to realise that trying to get the latest and greatest versions of programs can be... very stressful. Especially when I go and try to install a lot of programs anyway. And Potato Knishes up python-exec. And GCC. And ALSA. And... And...
Monday, 08-Jul-13 12:02:55 UTC from web-
Monday, 08-Jul-13 12:03:31 UTC from web
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@scribus I know. I almost put GenToo on that list too. But... Yea... Kernel recompilation for optimal performance... I think I might do that too often and get hooked, or something. ( Like Minecraft, only they are not blocks )
Monday, 08-Jul-13 11:54:17 UTC from web-
@critialcloudkicker I tried compiling my own kernel once. Took hours and failed miserably. XD
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