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so, gaming stuff on brazil have more taxes than guns
Friday, 09-Jan-15 23:37:22 UTC from web-
Friday, 09-Jan-15 23:37:42 UTC from web
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@soren 72,18% of games stuff's price is due to taxes, for guns it is only 71,58%. The only things with more taxes than games are cigarretes (80,42%), fur coats (81,86%) and some alchoholic drinks.
Friday, 09-Jan-15 23:40:56 UTC from web-
@mushi that is taxes only, not counting the income the sellers need to have
Friday, 09-Jan-15 23:42:08 UTC from web-
@mushi yeah, the big stores make it so they have an income of at least 25%.
Friday, 09-Jan-15 23:43:21 UTC from web
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Friday, 09-Jan-15 23:43:15 UTC from web
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@mushi There is one single reason governments put such taxes on things: to deliberately make the population stop buying them.
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 00:12:58 UTC from web-
@nerthos the people who could reduce the taxes said they dont like games and dont want to stimlate them here, so yeah
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 00:14:55 UTC from web-
@mushi Do like they did in Ukraine, burn down the govenrment.
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 00:15:43 UTC from web-
@nerthos they tried it last year, but everone is chill again
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 00:16:47 UTC from web
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@nerthos That's one thing I worry about when discussing whether marijuana should be legal or not and sold in retail, because given its value as a commodity it would be easy for the government to completely marginalize the market in order to tax it really unfairly.
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 00:16:43 UTC from web-
@northernnarwhal That's honestly the reason I always wanted it to be legalized. The only way to ruin the market of drugs is to legalize them and control prices to make them not worth the money at all.
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 00:35:09 UTC from web-
@nerthos Well, I guess if you're in that market it would be detrimental, but if you're not it would be seen as more worthwhile.
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 00:36:13 UTC from web-
@northernnarwhal Yeah, it'd be bad for consumers, but good for people who want to get rid of it altogether. I myself would legalize certain drugs, but make a registry of consumers and make a license needed to buy them to control how much each person consumes and so that people who have jobs that require concentration and clarity of mind don't consume anything.
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 00:48:19 UTC from web-
@nerthos Well, I know my uncle actually has a license for medicinal marijuana but that's only because he needs it as a painkiller for a very specific condition he has. I think the other thing is regular marijuana isn't honestly that bad for, and if it becomes legal kids will find some other illegal drug to do to seem cool and that could end up being something a lot more potentially harmful to them.
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 00:56:31 UTC from web-
@northernnarwhal I'd basically make the whole marijuana thing a government-regulated bussiness as a source of income other than taxes, to release some pressure on the latter. And I'd make it illegal to carry big quantities or use it in public areas, but legal to use in small doses in private residences, as long as everyone involved had their licenses. People with jobs that require clarity of mind like cops, doctors, professional drivers and all that wouldn't be allowed to have a license.
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 00:59:18 UTC from web-
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 01:00:12 UTC from web
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@nerthos I think the deal about you can't have it in public, and only in small doses is how it currently works in states where marijuana is legal, like Colorado and Washington state.
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 01:01:16 UTC from web -
@nerthos Of course, I'd still make it pretty expensive, on par with cigarettes and all that, because it is after all a vice and a luxury item.
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 01:01:28 UTC from web-
@nerthos Reminds me of what they did with hard alcohol in Washington. They allowed it to be sold anywhere, not just state-ran liquor stores, then they proceeded to throw ridiculously high taxes on it.
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 01:04:16 UTC from web-
@eeeie Good way to reduce consumption
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 01:10:27 UTC from web-
@nerthos Yeah, I support it. Reduces consumption, but also allows private companies to profit off of it, as well as the government.
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 01:12:06 UTC from web
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@nerthos I actually agree completely, having it as a direct business wouldn't mean they would have to compile taxes with retailers to maintain a share of the market.
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 01:01:49 UTC from web-
@northernnarwhal I'm big on the idea of state-ran bussiness like that, because the more money the state makes like that, the less taxes they need to charge the population to mantain infrastructure. Sort of a step into a self-sustaining state.
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 01:09:57 UTC from web-
@nerthos That's probably my biggest worry about legalization is that taxes are gonna completely ruin the industry, so I would be down for a state run business in the case of marijuana.
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 01:11:04 UTC from web-
@northernnarwhal I think ruining an illegal industry like narcotics is an all-around good thing. Not so much when those market-crashing taxes are applied to innocuous things like in the case of Mushi's issue with games.
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 01:20:50 UTC from web-
@nerthos Well, I think it being illegal doesn't make it bad in any intrinsic way. In a lot of ways it's comparable to prohibition of alcohol in the 1920s.
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 01:22:46 UTC from web-
@northernnarwhal Start a marijuana plantation in your bathtub
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 01:30:12 UTC from web-
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 01:31:41 UTC from web
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@northernnarwhal And maybe a bigger bathroom.
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Saturday, 10-Jan-15 01:32:39 UTC from web
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@nerthos @northernnarwhal The weed bath bomb
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 01:36:58 UTC from web
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@scribus yeah, for caipirinha, cachaça, vodca (actually i dont know how i write the name) and some others
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 03:13:48 UTC from web
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@mushi i feel sorry for gamers in brazil
Friday, 09-Jan-15 23:40:37 UTC from web-
@hyrulepony i feel sorry for us too =(
Friday, 09-Jan-15 23:41:16 UTC from web
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@mushi I don't think it's as bad but the taxing in Canada can get really brutal, at least in a general sense.
Friday, 09-Jan-15 23:41:18 UTC from web-
@northernnarwhal it is funny that they think that games need more taxes than guns, like what the hell
Friday, 09-Jan-15 23:44:29 UTC from web-
@mushi You see, generally everything here has the same taxation rate but the tax is usually pretty high, coupled with really ridiculous rates for your usual things like income tax, property tax, and rates. I don't know how it is in comparison to Brazil, but I know Quebec in particular has some of, if not the most expensive taxation rates in North America.
Friday, 09-Jan-15 23:48:11 UTC from web-
@northernnarwhal well, brail has one of highest taxes /in the /world/, and only loses in return the taxes as services for the population for India
Friday, 09-Jan-15 23:51:50 UTC from web-
@mushi Well, the other problem is that there are different types of taxes. One country might have a higher tax on payrolls (before returns or deductibles) than another but that other country might have higher individual tax. There's also sales taxes, and some countries might only have GST while other countries have harmonized their sales taxes. Don't forget things like property tax, which can vary from country to country and not even exist in some. There's even taxation on corporate and international levels administrated on a federal level whereas a lot of countries could also have specific tax laws held in state or province. Speaking from a very general point of view you could categorize taxation as either income or capital gain but once you get into more specific rates and conditions the concepts and differentiations between countries become more complex.
Friday, 09-Jan-15 23:59:39 UTC from web-
@northernnarwhal well, i won tget deep into economics details because i'm not good at them, but well, nintendo just said they will stop selling their stuff in brazil because of overtaxation and that bothers me
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 00:04:49 UTC from web-
@mushi That really sucks, especially since their consoles are region locked so you can't even import games from other countries.
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@northernnarwhal well, hopeflly i can still buy what people get on USA and bribe the customs to re sell here
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 00:09:41 UTC from web
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@mushi Buy from paraguay
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 00:09:10 UTC from web-
@nerthos there is a place that only sell stuff from paraguay, it is a pain to get there but there is always something cool there
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 00:11:01 UTC from web-
@mushi Paraguay is like the south american China. You can get everything cheap there.
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 00:12:19 UTC from web-
@nerthos i got all my games from there before i learned how to pirate them myself, cool times. But now the things over there are getting more expensive
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 00:13:30 UTC from web
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@northernnarwhal I'm still unsure what that meme is about
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 01:41:32 UTC from web-
@nerthos Basically there are these soap things people put in their baths and other people have been parodying them.
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 01:43:46 UTC from web
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@northernnarwhal OH I'M SO SORRY THAT US POKING FUN AT BATH TUB HABITS OFFENDS YOU
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 01:41:34 UTC from web-
@mrmattimation I'll never wrap my head around how a harmless parody of an aesthetics product could violate anyone's rights.
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 01:46:15 UTC from web-
@northernnarwhal Sexism
Saturday, 10-Jan-15 01:47:33 UTC from web
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