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Nintendo I hope you're planning to directly pay Let's players instead of letting adds do it because if you're just cutting them completely I'm really disapointed.
Monday, 20-May-13 00:11:11 UTC from web-
@mobstalyre Can somebody explain to me why someone should be able to make money by recording other people's commercial videogames anyway
Monday, 20-May-13 00:11:57 UTC from web-
@redenchilada I think they're paying them just because it's publicity for their games, but it's still not very sound, and doesn't make much sense to me. I don't know why it can't just be left alone as is.
Monday, 20-May-13 00:12:53 UTC from web-
@flamingpandaomg I don't see why someone should get money for it. Should they be able to record the game and make videos of it? Yes. Definitely. They shouldn't be able to make money off of it, though.
Monday, 20-May-13 00:14:30 UTC from web-
@redenchilada Eh. There are a good number of people who treat it as a job, providing entertaining videos for people to watch, and they get money for ads and whatnot. It may not be a job in the normal sense, but it can be a job.
Monday, 20-May-13 00:15:38 UTC from web
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@redenchilada It's a job too
Monday, 20-May-13 00:12:57 UTC from web-
@azureblaze It isn't a job. It is literally "record yourself playing videogames"
Monday, 20-May-13 00:13:41 UTC from web-
@redenchilada Actually yeah ur right it does have the same outcome as BETA testing only it's recording
Monday, 20-May-13 00:14:45 UTC from web -
@redenchilada So is reporting news a job too? You're just sitting there recording yourself talking about news.
Monday, 20-May-13 00:14:48 UTC from web-
@mobstalyre News reporting is not the same thing as playing videogames
Monday, 20-May-13 00:15:41 UTC from web-
@redenchilada In a way yes, they appeal to a certain crowd, some want to know about news others about video games.
Monday, 20-May-13 00:16:35 UTC from web-
@mobstalyre The difference is in where they get their content. LPers are recording commercial games and using them as their primary source of content. They're similar to fanart in that sense. It's technically copyright infringement anyway so I can't see why they should get money from it.
Monday, 20-May-13 00:19:37 UTC from web
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@redenchilada It's a job in the field of entertainment. In any case the legal option would be to first get in contact with the copyright holders of the games to get permission to record and broadcast the gameplay, and then monetize it. That's the real problem, monetizing the intellectual property of others without their consent.
Monday, 20-May-13 00:19:24 UTC from web-
@thenerthfather @redenchilada Thing is, Nintendo even approves of let's plays, they once asked therunawayguys to play NSMB2 Nintedo is ok with let's plays they think it's a good way to commecialize games. So why the hell are they doing this is beyond me.
Monday, 20-May-13 00:23:20 UTC from web-
@mobstalyre The fair use licence clearly states that the content may be used for satyrical or similar purposes, in a completely non-commercial way. Nintendo is OK with them recording gameplay and uploading them to the internet. They are not OK with third parties making a revenue out of their property.
Monday, 20-May-13 00:24:33 UTC from web-
@thenerthfather This law is seriously out dated then.
Monday, 20-May-13 00:25:24 UTC from web-
@mobstalyre No, that law is completely reasonable. It allows users to use the products in any recreational way, but not to make money out of content they lack the licences for.
Monday, 20-May-13 00:27:03 UTC from web-
@thenerthfather You do know nobody wins if this keeps up right? If let's players don't get payed some will completely quit, when that happens Nintendo games won't be covered by people. When that happens what will happen to obscure games that will never survive on their own? If it weren't for let's players like Chuggaaconroy okami would still be dead. If it weren't for let's players the walkingdead game wouldn't have even been a thing. But hell what do i know i'm not a company who wants more money than it needs.
Monday, 20-May-13 00:35:53 UTC from web-
@mobstalyre There's something wrong with a person if they only play videogames to get paid for it
Monday, 20-May-13 00:37:27 UTC from web-
@redenchilada There is something wrong with a person if he commutes to a cubicle a long time to write up pieces of code and have an angry man in a suit yell at him in order to get paid for it
Monday, 20-May-13 00:39:46 UTC from web
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@mobstalyre It's simple. You get in touch with the company and ask for permission to do it. They give you green light to do it and there you go. Also http://rainbowdash.net/notice/2619731
Monday, 20-May-13 00:37:56 UTC from web-
@thenerthfather Dude i already said these people had permission, they're litterally being stabbed in the back.
Monday, 20-May-13 00:39:10 UTC from web-
@mobstalyre As I said, they had permission to record and broadcast the let's plays. Not to monetize them. There's the difference. Recreational and commercial use.
Monday, 20-May-13 00:40:49 UTC from web -
@mobstalyre Their videos aren't even being taken down, dude. They just don't get the ad revenue from it.
Monday, 20-May-13 00:41:35 UTC from web-
@redenchilada But if this keeps up they'll stop.
Monday, 20-May-13 00:43:47 UTC from web-
@mobstalyre @mushi They shouldn't be earning ad revenue from a game they weren't legally given permission to monetize. :\
Monday, 20-May-13 00:44:42 UTC from web-
@flamingpandaomg me what
Monday, 20-May-13 00:45:38 UTC from web
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@mobstalyre Again I ask: what's the big deal? So they don't get to take the revenue from ads that play next to their video of someone else's game that's being hosted on someone else's site? If there was any regular monetary commitment at all required from them in order to specifically make the videos then I might could see an argument.
Monday, 20-May-13 00:46:25 UTC from web-
@redenchilada I'm gonna stop discussing because you people are missing the point. But i'll say it one more time: Nintendo is screwing over their own advocates and that'll hurt their buisness and the people.
Monday, 20-May-13 00:49:08 UTC from web-
@mobstalyre Let's Plays and the people who watch them make up such an insignificant portion of game developer's audience that it doesn't really matter if they hurt the LPer's feelings by not letting them profit from their videos of them playing other people's games.
Monday, 20-May-13 00:54:15 UTC from web
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@redenchilada @flamingpandaomg @thenerthfather It's certainly a tricky situation for the LPers who choose to monetise, because there's no precedent that Let's Plays are even considered fair use. Most people who've managed to make a job out of this generally make it by playing indie games, which makes sense because they are not going to mind the popularity or the views/sales of people finding out about their game.
Monday, 20-May-13 00:50:58 UTC from web
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Gentlemen, I find your conversation interesting, but do viewership-boosting game reviews get approved by publishers? They can certainly boost revenue through online ads and magazine sales, I see it as the same as youtube ad revenue for posting your footage.
Monday, 20-May-13 00:48:43 UTC from web-
@rotation Commenting on or criticizing a work is a provision of fair use.
Monday, 20-May-13 00:52:39 UTC from web
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@redenchilada It gives the game publicity, I wouldn't have bought a good chunk of my collection if it weren't for let's plays.
Monday, 20-May-13 00:13:55 UTC from web
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