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Monday, 23-Jul-12 11:12:55 UTC from web-
@rozeluck Welcome to here
Monday, 23-Jul-12 11:13:12 UTC from web-
@abigpony Sooo Whatcha doing?
Monday, 23-Jul-12 11:13:44 UTC from web-
@rozeluck Just quit TF2. Might finish up Limbo or draw something. I dunno. Yourself?
Monday, 23-Jul-12 11:14:45 UTC from web-
@abigpony Burning my throut with chili chips and thinking of maybe start playing Spiral Knights just to try
Monday, 23-Jul-12 11:16:20 UTC from web-
@rozeluck Man, everyone's playing spiral knights now. It's ridiculous.
Monday, 23-Jul-12 11:17:57 UTC from web-
@abigpony If you have a problem with that, why don't you recommend me another game I can play on my Linux? :P
Monday, 23-Jul-12 11:22:01 UTC from web-
@omni I wouldn't know. I'm too used to running normal OSs. I didn't mean to insult the game there or anything (even though I do rather dislike it personally) just to say that everyone is indeed playing it.
Monday, 23-Jul-12 11:42:37 UTC from web-
Monday, 23-Jul-12 12:23:29 UTC from web
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@abigpony Even though I'm wondering why Linux isn't a "normal OS" (it supports all software you would normally expect an Operating System to support, the only thing a-typical seems to be the relatively insane modularity of the system, being able to choose every part for yourself (Desktop Environment/Window Manager/Sound system/etc/etc). Then again, I guess any discussion regarding such a system would not go well due to the bias on at very least my side, and possibly your lack of Linux knowledge (not saying you know nothing about it, but your statement seems to imply that you, at very least, don't use it often).
Monday, 23-Jul-12 16:27:47 UTC from web-
@omni This is true, I do not know it. I've never even seen it in action. I called it such because before bronies, all I heard of Linux was negativity and how utter crap it was by everyone. What I said was more poking fun than anything else, though. http://ur1.ca/9tnyq
Monday, 23-Jul-12 22:37:47 UTC from web-
@abigpony Fair enough, I will admit that Linux used to be crap for the average user (though not for the more technical user) though, due to the newer desktop environments we have like Unity, GNOME3 and KDE4, it has become quite beginner-friendly as well. If someone isn't used to Windows yet, I'm sure that it'll be easier for them to get started with something like Ubuntu or Linux Mint than with Windows. Perhaps you should at least give Ubuntu a try once using Wubi, a live CD or a Virtual Machine, you'll see that Linux isn't the geek-only extremely-technical environment it used to be anymore.
Tuesday, 24-Jul-12 10:11:19 UTC from web-
@omni In all honesty, i'd love to, but I don't at the same time if that makes sense. I wanna try it, but I really don't feel like setting anything up or spending time where I don't need to. I waste enough time as is. If there was a way I could quickly install it and try it out or something without effecting anything, I may.
Tuesday, 24-Jul-12 10:13:40 UTC from web-
@abigpony Wubi installs Ubuntu inside of Windows like a software program, and allows you to choose it instead of Windows when booting up your PC. The only thing Wubi requires you to do is choose a username and password, and you can optionally define the amount of diskspace used by Ubuntu (it uses a sane default based on your available diskspace) or choose another desktop environment (though I would recommend to just leave that button on "Ubuntu"). Download page: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/windows-installer - Instructions: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/install-ubuntu-with-windows (After that you're good to go, no further setup is needed. The only downside to Wubi is that it is more sensitive to forced shutdowns and can't reach the speed of a normal installation due to the way it installs, but that's somewhat technical. It's great for testing, though). Or, well, there is this webpage which gives you a very basic idea of how Ubuntu works: http://www.ubuntu.com/tour/en/
Tuesday, 24-Jul-12 10:21:48 UTC from web-
@omni I feel like a child or something. Learning something for the first time all over again. You should feel like a parent or something at this point. Like 'Elder Omni' or something.
Tuesday, 24-Jul-12 10:24:53 UTC from web-
@abigpony Imagine how I felt when I first tried Arch Linux, which doesn't hold your hand with a nice setup wizard step-by-step and requires you to set everything up by hand, even the more technical aspects, when all I ran before were beginner-friendly Linux systems like Ubuntu and Linux Mint. It took me days to get the system up and running :P
Tuesday, 24-Jul-12 10:27:26 UTC from web-
@omni Why'd you choose to work Linux i the first place? Why didn't you just stick with something normal?
Tuesday, 24-Jul-12 10:28:13 UTC from web-
@abigpony I've used Windows for years, but always ended up frustrated. Even as administrator Windows seemed to refuse me complete access over my system, and it took less than a month to become a terrible, slow mess. I decided that there must be another way, and started to look around. The first Linux distribution I ended up with was SUSE Linux 9.1, which still used KDE3. I almost instantly fell in love with it, though I never had a very powerful system (and KDE has always been quite heavy) so it never ran nicely. But the whole package management (using one program to install, uninstall and update everything, without having to search the web for it) just felt great to me. I didn't use it for long and went back to Windows, but after a long while I went back to Linux again and noticed that it became a lot more beginner-friendly. I started to check around simple distributions like Ubuntu and got more and more addicted to the whole way Linux does stuff and just decided to stay.
Tuesday, 24-Jul-12 10:32:38 UTC from web-
@omni What's so different? What was such a big hassle with Windows that it made you leave?
Tuesday, 24-Jul-12 10:35:51 UTC from web-
@abigpony The biggest difference is that, due to the way Linux handles software, it doesn't get so slow over time. It doesn't use a registry, and programs save user-specific settings in your home directory, and system-specific settings in /etc/ (generally, depends on the distribution). This means that you can just back up your home directory and will normally back up the settings to all your software as well. Besides that, the package manager takes care of installing, uninstalling and updating. Remember how, on Windows, every program has its own updater? I hated that, I truly did, but under Linux you have one program which updates ALL your software to the latest version. See it as Windows Update working for your whole system (and being much faster). Also, no setup wizards. You choose the program you want to install, click "Install" and it takes care of it itself. But personally, the reason I left Windows was because it breaks so easily and runs slow so quickly, which Linux just doesn't
Tuesday, 24-Jul-12 10:41:18 UTC from web-
@omni Of course I have more reasons, but to explain all of those I need more than 1000 characters.
Tuesday, 24-Jul-12 10:42:50 UTC from web -
@omni these are all the reasons I couldn't be bothered to think of earlier.. still, I like having windows as moy main OS for compatibility reasons, plus the slowing down doesn't bother me as much in vista and 7 as it did in XP
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@pony I currently still dual-boot, mostly when my owner wants to game, but with Steam coming to Linux this very year I won't have to keep doing that for long. Besides that, Linux office suites like LibreOffice are already almost completely compatible with Microsoft Office (the biggest issue being PowerPoint) and the web uses more and more open standards (like HTML5, for example).
Tuesday, 24-Jul-12 10:50:47 UTC from web-
@omni Yeah I like LibreOffice. It's a pain to deal with differences in formatting when I have to give a presentation or send documents to somepony who uses MS Office though, so I usually favor Google Docs. I'm planning on doing what you or somepony mentioned and repartitioning my laptop's HDD probably next week so that I no longer have to rely on Wubi.
Tuesday, 24-Jul-12 10:58:12 UTC from web-
@pony I love libre!
Tuesday, 24-Jul-12 10:59:57 UTC from web -
@pony Oh, and that somepony was me, pony :3
Tuesday, 24-Jul-12 11:00:16 UTC from web-
Tuesday, 24-Jul-12 11:01:27 UTC from web
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@pony ^w^ hugs are repayment :3
Tuesday, 24-Jul-12 11:01:55 UTC from web-
Tuesday, 24-Jul-12 11:02:35 UTC from web
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@pony :D *hughughug*
Tuesday, 24-Jul-12 11:02:47 UTC from web-
Tuesday, 24-Jul-12 11:04:11 UTC from web
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@pony ^.^
Tuesday, 24-Jul-12 11:13:52 UTC from web
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@omni I have one updater but really I have no idea what you mean by that entirely. I like setup wizards. They make sure I do it all the way I want. I have no idea what the beginning of that means with the backing up of directories and stuff. I do that, like, bi-monthly but I don't think we are thinking of the same thing.
Tuesday, 24-Jul-12 10:50:47 UTC from web-
@abigpony Your home directory is comparable to "My Documents" under Windows. You just put all your stuff there. If programs require additional setup, they generally ask it during the first time they are run. The most people use setup wizards for nowadays are to configure software installation location, which you simply don't do under Linux. All your software is installed in a central directory, and configuration settings, if you even need to access those (normally you don't, as you have "Settings" options in all software the average user uses) are saved in a hidden folder in your home directory (don't worry, most file managers will easily let you toggle showing hidden files or not). At any rate, I have a feeling I'm getting way too technical here and am confusing you more than teaching you, but that is a risk of knowing a lot about a certain object. At any rate, the best way is to just try it out yourself, you'll probably find out what I mean (oh, and notification systems, those rock)
Tuesday, 24-Jul-12 10:55:22 UTC from web-
@omni Installing all in one directory? That seems extremely inconvenient. As long as I can uninstall this if I don't like it, I'll try it out. maybe tomorrow, though. It's late.
Tuesday, 24-Jul-12 10:59:33 UTC from web-
@abigpony It may seem this way, but it is actually insanely convenient. For powerusers, this means that instead of having to type "C:\Program Files\Mozilla\Firefox\Firefox.exe" simply typing "firefox" is enough to start Firefox. This also means that it is a lot easier for your system to take care of all your software. At any rate, there is absolutely no reason to be messing around in the installation directory anyway, as the configuration settings aren't saved there, only the binary files (would be .exe on Windows, on Linux they don't have any extension). It should technically be possible to change this behaviour if you must really need to, though that's something for advanced users and, believe me, you don't want to do that. It is different from what you're used to with Windows, yes, but definitely not a bad system. If you even become power-user enough to mess around there, you'll be happy with it. Also, Ubuntu can be uninstalled in Add/Remove software under Windows with only 1 click.
Tuesday, 24-Jul-12 11:20:53 UTC from web-
@omni I don't have to type any of that to get on firefox. I just click firefox or type in "fire" and it opens it. I'll just try it tomorrow or something.
Tuesday, 24-Jul-12 11:31:39 UTC from web-
@abigpony Yeah, I'm clearly just confusing you more than I'm explaining to you, because that same behaviour is normal behaviour in most Linux desktop environments as well. Just try it yourself, yeah, will be better ;P
Tuesday, 24-Jul-12 11:32:56 UTC from web-
@omni I shall get back to you when I do.
Tuesday, 24-Jul-12 11:33:33 UTC from web
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@omni Alright, so it says I need a flash drive or something?
Tuesday, 24-Jul-12 10:30:58 UTC from web-
@abigpony You don't, the homepage is slightly unclear about that but that's another possible way to install it. You want to click the orange "Start Download" button on the top right of the page: https://i.minus.com/iX0nk9Ws3BFQk.png (note: my system does not look like Ubuntu :P)
Tuesday, 24-Jul-12 10:36:48 UTC from web
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@rozeluck Remember to tell us what you name your character so you can be added to our guild ☺
Monday, 23-Jul-12 11:24:03 UTC from web-
@toksyuryel okay
Monday, 23-Jul-12 11:25:59 UTC from web
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