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@jimbo Did you even read anything before that? And you're not doing a very good job of attacking my ideology. That's rather immature of you to say and if you looked at the real world for a moment you'd realize appearance is something extremely important in the professional world and keeping yourself to an at least sociable-level is generally a good idea and sometimes someone needs to be properly reminded that this is a property they need to improve. I'm having trouble sympathizing with someone who flat-out insults me, but you're welcome to voice your opinion.
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will not be attending BroNYCon if Know Your Meme will be present. I ask fellow members of the brony community to #boycott the con if @purpletinker does not withdraw her invitation to KYM. (fave & repeat)
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@cabal Is it really that big of a deal? I wouldn't think anyone could ruin the con on their own.
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@redenchilada Yes, it is a big deal. KYM likes to steal memes and Anonymous hates them. google operation: stop their scheme #boycott
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@cabal ...And how's that gonna affect the convention?
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@cabal KYM represented us positively in the past. They ASKED to attend. After they gave us POSITIVE news coverage in the past, we would be insane to turn them away.
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@purpletinker I really do not care. I have voiced my opinion on the matter of KYM and will not subjected to their nonsense. As for everypony, it is your decision whether or not to attend. I am asking that Purple tinker withdraw the invitation based on ideology. Sony oppresses hardware hackers like GeoHot from modifying a product they bought from sony, and sony pays KYM and makes a profit from their "research" of Memes and selling them to the unaware public.
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@cabal I'm with Cabal on this, @purpletinker I'm not a fan of KYM for numerous reasons and cabal is making a very good point. This would cause nothing but problems.
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@ponybis I have to disagree. KYM has done nothing but good for the brony community. Even Sethisto agrees.
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@purpletinker You mean make it more, and more mainstream so places like this are just hugboxes + meme splurges instead of places where you can simply discuss what you want? I think the attention from "newfriends" is always unwelcome and it only encourages everyone to be attention whorey about our-little-fandom. It's annoying and needs to quit because it's making a lot of people view bronies as furries 2.0 because of these stupid antics. And before you try to go into furry defense mode what I'm referencing is people shoving ponies into people's business who clearly don't care. If somebody shows disinterest in something you shouldn't press it and KYM is a hive of people who do that. They also encourage it.
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@ponybis this was all i wanted to know
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@purpletinker I second Purple's idea! (your a great site runner too, Purple!) KYM (and VALVe, indirectly,) made me a brony! I wouldn't be here if it weren't for them!
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@ponybis Gotta disagree with you on that too. Nobody at KYM is putting a gun to peoples' heads and saying "READ OUR WEBSITE, LEARN ABOUT BRONIES" (or any other meme or subculture). Look, you wanna dislike KYM, dislike KYM. I'm all for anything that gives bronies positive press. Positive press is way better than negative press. Put simply: Would you rather KYM give us good writeups, or Fox News post more stories about how we're all a bunch of sexually deviant manchildren?
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@dezzierose Perfect example here. You heard about bronies because of KYM and their ilk. We NEED good press.
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@purpletinker Mmmhmm! And i also use it to find the first pony-related videos to send to Sethisto. There are also tons of cool images for usage, it's fun to read, (not to mention run by my former favorite website, icanhascheezburger,) and it keeps track of things for me! I think it's super helpful.
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@purpletinker KYM strikes a particular cord with 4chan on this one, and this is way back before Bronies existed. The variable of Sony particularly hardens the resolve, as both have attacked the internet at large.
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@purpletinker I'm beginning to think more and more that those reports are more accurate. Why do fans of a media need popular press? That's kind of ridiculous. A NEW FANDOM SWEEPING THE NATION: FANS OF KINGDOM HEARTS LIKE TO MAKE MINIATURE KEYBLADES AND HANG OUT WITH FRIENDS. People who defend the show as "I'm not watching it to be ironic, I'm watching it because it's good" are practically being hypocritical when the news reports are clearly reporting it because it's ironic. I'm getting meta with this hipster stuff.
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@cabal I don't like Sony either. But I buy their products, and I have no problems with allowing groups that accept ad revenue from them into my con. Idealism has its place, but you have to pick your battles. It's an imperfect world, and if you only want to deal with perfect people, you'll find your life very lonely indeed.
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@ponybis *shrug* I'm in it because I like pony. Anything that exposes more potential fans to pony, I'm all for. Case closed.
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@purpletinker I know you don't visit !irchighway very much, but I know that some of the members there were very displeased as /co/ and /v/ were posting images from their meetups on 4chan and making imagemacros, making fun of them, etc. If KYM is there they'll undoubtedly do some form of mass coverage (as well as use this as a marketing opportunity towards YOU GUYS, if they aren't there with merchandise I will be surprised) and the images will go onto 4chan and it will soon turn into personal attacks towards certain bronies. I've seen images of the past NY meetups and I'm going to be honest and say you aren't really the prettiest people in the world, but I don't really want to attack anybody based on that. But 4chan? 4chan will. And you'll see it. Realllly fast.
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@ponybis I like ponies in an ironic way, ive said that multiple times.
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@ponybis Yes, we've dealt with "fat bronies" type appearance-based attacks before. There's nothing we can do. If a bunch of Internet teenagers want to attack con attendees for not being pretty, that's their prerogative.
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@purpletinker But do you want to subject emotionally unstable people to that? I mean it's good and all you're that strong yourself, but preventing it happening to others is probably the nicer thing to do. But you could go ahead and tell them they need to suck it up or get pretty. I guess I'm kind of for that too.
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@ponybis It hurts when someone gets insulted. It hurts when I get insulted too. It isn't going to stop me from enjoying myself. I know I'm not pretty. I'm not in this to look pretty. I'm in this because I like this show.
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@purpletinker I went to war with KYM and Sony with under the flag I greatly respect and fear. Along with others, I fought with them... and lost. However, I still along with others dispise KYM for making money off of the collective, and I will boycott them until they are no more. We do not forgive, we do not forget. Expect Us. I dislike KYM no matter what. Allow me my freedom of speech and may it resonate among those who agree. http://ur1.ca/54sk9
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@purpletinker I think you look pretty. :(
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@cabal Making money off of memes isn't evil. It is, in fact, the foundation of all art. Every painting of a naked lady, or a bowl of fruit, or a nobleman on horseback, done by a painter in the Renaissance was done for money, and it was based off of earlier ideas-- memes-- that spread through society even in those days. (They just spread a lot slower.) Protesting KYM for making ad revenue through their site chronicling memes is even more ludicrous than protesting Disney for making money repackaging Brothers Grimm fables and ancient fairy tales as profitable cartoons. As for Anonymous, they are far from heroes. They have done some good things, and they have done some horrible things.
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@cabal ... all of a sudden I'm not surprised. You being a part of Anonymous makes wayyyyyy too much sense.
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@redenchilada Thanks, but s'not the point. Point is, we aren't in this fandom to bask in the glowing admiration of a bunch of Internet trolls. We're here because MLP:FiM is a fun show and we like it. We aren't going to turn away a source of positive publicity because of the possibility that some time, in the hypothetical future, an asstard on /co might mock a fat brony because of it.
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@jimbo How can you be a part of a concept? People who think anonymous is a "group" are simply wrong. Even the ones "part of anonymous." It's ridiculous to think of them as a group, they're just everyone on the internet who doesn't have a name. The "organized" folks are ruining the opportunity to anonymously speak opinions on subjects and KYM is a huge part of encouraging that. Your thoughts are simply evidence to show how skewed everything has gotten.
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@ponybis Victim blaming =/= ideology, JSYK. These people mock bronies primarily for being fat, or 'looking' autistic; but being autistic (even if they were) isn't something people can help, any more than being overweight. People are just built differently, not everyone looks the same. (I won't even get into the whole ridiculous OMG SKINNY IS GOOD, ALL SKINNY PEOPLE ARE HEALTHY AND FAT PEOPLE ARE NOT! nonsense.) You're basically saying that 'fat people aren't allowed to have fun where skinny people might see them and mock them' under the pretense of "but I'm just sparing their feelings!" People should just not mock other people's weights/appearances; it's not up to the victim (the overweight person) to NOT be overweight, it's up to the dole NOT to be an kiwi. HTH
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@ponybis The people who think of Anonymous as a group apparently includes @Cabal, who felt like sharing the whole idiotic "we are legion we do not forget DURR HURR" tagline with us. So - just sayian. Anonymous DOES sometimes organize itself as a group; whether or not the "real anonymous" (LOL) doesn't like it, doesn't matter. They are being represented, as are their ideas. If they want to speak out against it, then go for it, for all I care.
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@jimbo Where did I even say "fat?" Are you making assumptions based on your own qualities? My point was event he decent looking people in those photos were being attacked and the females were being accused of being male. And saying being overweight is uncontrollable is ridiculous because in most cases it is quite controllable if you are aware of what it going on and how to fix it. And I'm going to be flat out honest and say I'm a fat admirer. Why do you think I'm attacking fat poeple? Besides, if someone is in risk of health alerting them off that and discouraging bad lifestyle choices is probably for the best.
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@jimbo I was one. And sympathize when internet freedoms are under attack, and when corporations do wrong things, like capitalizing on other's work. I do not partake in making other people's lives miserable. I want them to be happy. But not happy as the world defined by Huxley.
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@ponybis I quite enjoy your posts XD
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@ponybis LOLOLOLOL "you sound fat," it would be more funny if you were more original, or even new. As it is, I just feel like someone just Rickrolled me. Welcome to 2000! I'll BRB, I gotta go find my MC Hammer CD and go do the hammerdance! I'll just go hand-crank my Ford and pop it into my record player I keep in the backseat!
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@jimbo It sounds like you feel persecuted which wasn't my intention. Please stop being egotistical and start reading my points because you're missing all of them. This is the only post directed at you.
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@ponybis Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of this dancing baby video - oh my God, since when can a baby DANCE?!! This is almost as funny as those two WILD AND CRAZY GUYS on SNL!!! :)
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@jimbo Since it appears you're incapable of a rational conversation I'll quit trying to make points.
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@ponybis I don't argue with stupid people, because I enjoy giving my opponents a sporting change. But thanks for trying anyway, lemme know when you think of some more gems to toss my way - I've heard "BUH bye" and "yeah I like it - PSYCH!!!" are coming back into vogue!
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@jimbo Stop that. You're being immature.
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@ponybis haha I've been in that position a lot. You just have to give up. It's like they lack the ability to stop and even make an effort to try to understand what you are saying, before replying. Oh well :\
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@redenchilada @mrbrown Sorry, I'm not obligated to be nice to people who insult other people.
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@jimbo There's a difference between telling someone off and being a complete jerkoff to someone.
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@redenchilada when you tell someone off, people applaud. when you are a jerkoff, people boo.
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@redenchilada Ahh, the tone argument! You guys must go to the same 'school of cliched methods to derail,' because telling me I need to be "nice" to people who are ignorant and hateful is equally insipid. I am not obligated to be nice, especially if the person in question responds to my posts with "you sound fat. Are you fat? BTW, I'm a fat fancier, so it's totes okay if I objectify women and in the same breath inform them that you're only fat if you choose to be/are lazy." I don't waste my time arguing with the willfully ignorant. HTH
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@jimbo When did I insult you? I'd like you to point it out. And if you're making that argument you're kind of being a huge hypocrite. You did begin this conversation with a rather crude statement and then I explained my reasoning for the statement and you just acted like a jerk. I'm sorry, but I've lost all respect I had for you.
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@jimbo ...Yeah, I'm sick of you now. I'm just gonna quiet you down for a couple of hours. If you take issue with this, sorry.
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@ponybis You are acting like a jerk, too, when you make hurtful statements that amount to 'people deserve to be made fun of if they are unattractive and have their pictures posted online.' If that is what you meant, by all means, please clarify. But I am not in the mood for more victim-blaming, sexist, sizeist and whatever other bullmangoes ideologies you believe in. (And no, contrary to your wise beliefs: not all people can help being overweight. Please educate yourself, you'll spare everyone a lot of headdesking. And saying "you sound fat" is hilarious, but not in the way you think.)
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@mrbrown You're hurting my fee fees. :'(
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@mrbrown Yes, I have noticed your White Knight-itude, bravo!
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@mrbrown Ha-ha! I'm safe! There's no snow in So Cal! Well, I mean, in the mountains, yeah, and I do like to go there during the winter... ohcrap.
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@jimbo WHAT?!? How did you get this from what he posted? 'people deserve to be made fun of if they are unattractive and have their pictures posted online.' He clearly said that people WILL be made fun of if they are unattractive. Just because he acknowledges this doesn't mean he supports it! And if you believe that some people can not help being fat, than that is your OPINION not a fact!
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@mrbrown Ahh! See, I'm a little confused then, because I don't know how you could White Knight for someone who seems to be espousing sizeism. :/ I mean, he spends half of his arguments trying to mock me ('you sound fat' and 'you're egotistical' spring to mind), and one of them is even a weight-based insult! So ... I just feel like your efforts are wasted here. But hey, you do what you gotta do.
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@starlightbolt LOLLLL Okay, what about disabled people? If they can't move, is it still their fault they're overweight? Did you know that many anti-depressants also have weight gain as a side effect? How about PCOS, Thyroid disorders, depression, birth control? I find it pretty funny (read: sad) that people are so ready to say OMG YOU CAN HELP BEING FAT, JUST USE YOUR WILLPOWER! when in fact, there's so many illnesses/autoimmune diseases that can cause a person to gain weight, or be unable to lose it. :(
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@starlightbolt I AM BEING A DICK AND IRRATIONAL! http://ur1.ca/54sou
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@mrbrown Ahh, I see. I am definitely not a perfect reader, myself, but I read his argument as being extremely hateful and sizeist, so I felt the need to call it out. If that wasn't what he meant, then I am very mistaken! However, when he followed it up with "you sound defensive, are you fat?" and "fat people can just CHOOSE to be skinny", I felt that I had made the right call. I am anti-sizeism, I think everyone should be free to live their life in whatever shape is healthiest/most happy for them, and they should be able to do that without being mocked or discriminated against.
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@jimbo Are you anti opinion as well? I don't endorse what you're saying I do, but I also don't like how you're saying "I can attack whoever I want, but nobody can attack X group of people." And you've been nothing but misinterpreting what I have said.
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@mrbrown The only problem is with that argument is that it places the blame on the victim of the situation - if the fat person feels unhappy when they are mocked, they should change how they look... instead of making the person who mocked them NOT mock them. It's victim-blaming at its finest. :( And for a lot of people, losing weight isn't easy, or even possible - or, even something they want to do. Which is why I think people should go to the source of the problem (i.e. the immature cowards who are mocking these people) instead of telling the victims to 'deal with it' or 'change themselves.'
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@ponybis Oh my... I didn't notice it before, you've gone too far this time XD
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@ponybis @jimbo It be best if you guys just cool it for awhile and forget the whole thing. Its hard to express one self through the internet with out the normal gesture or tone that you expect in a conversation. It's quite possible you both have misinterpreted what the other said because of the lack of tone.
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@starlightbolt In what regards?
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@mrbrown Well, I agree that people should try to be their healthiest they can be, but the thing is, 'healthy' doesn't always equal thin. And when you start to police people's bodies, it gets really murky. Like, what is healthy for you, which you (general you) think everyone should do, might not be healthy for some people, and might actually be unhealthy! So I try to just keep my lip zipped when it comes to how other people's bodies look - it's their choice, in the end, not mine.
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@mrbrown Ahh, I see! But sometimes, even just saying it can be hurtful, you know? Like, people see "oh, I should be healthy!" and try to do unhealthy things. But I don't think there's anything with promoting being healthy - just as long as you recognize that 'healthy' looks different for everyone else, and it's definitely not always skinny. :) And not always fat, either! Being happy with who you are is one of the most important things, I think.
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@jimbo I agree with everything you said here except the censoring-yourself part of it. The only honest way you can get people to not be offended it to not say anything at all. Ever. It's still their body, their choice, and their feelings regardless of what you say and if the person is being a dick then perhaps the community would deal with it properly. Dealing with dicks is a very good thing to learn how to do considering there are quire a few out there right now, so you should feel challenged rather than victimized. If it is actually harassment you could report it. But is there not a polite way to point it out? Like "hey, bud I'm a little bit concerned with your health, it's still your decisions and all, but here are some suggestions on how I feel you could have a better life." Is that unacceptable?
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@jimbo and with that, I end this with GOOD NIGHT EVERBODY!
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@cabal Goodnight!
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@cabal goodnight
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@mrbrown I'm glad we agree, LOL! I'm also glad you're happy with your body - I wish everyone could be like that, it would lessen a lot of stress, I think! And I think, deep down, most of the people who mock these kinds of photos are people who are dissatisfied with their own bodies. Which is sad, too. :( LOL, not that the internet should become a hugbox, but - not a hate machine would be nice!
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@jimbo it is both. Each trying to equal out the other.
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@mrbrown LOL! Okay, all hugbox, all the time. ;)
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@jimbo I am aware of those things. I guess it's also not their fault that they eat terrible or don't exercise. There is only one very rare disease that I know of, that makes the body unable to remove fat. But I can assure you that it is very rare and not everyone that is overweight has it. But yes, even those cases you mentioned, a person can make the decision to lose weight, it just involves more work when those situations are involved. That doesn't just mean "omg I want to be skinny now" it means taking the time to eat right, be healthy. It's more like they are making the decision to eat healthy and exercise, which has a side effect of not being fat. The decision isn't choosing between being fat and being skinny, its the choice between exercising and eating right, or eating bad and not moving... being fat or skinny is a byproduct of that decision.
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@ponybis You shouldn't have called her fat, and made fun of all fat people.
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@starlightbolt I hope that one day you widen your world view. :) Best of luck.
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@starlightbolt I never explicitly stated either of those things, but I apologize for the implications.
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@cabal I just wish it wasn't so socially acceptable for people to mock other people for their appearance. :( This happens IRL, as well as online. Mock people's offensive ideas, for Pete's sake, but leave the things they can't even help alone! It's like mocking someone for being blond - it's not like something they can help! (And sleep tight, btw!)
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@mrbrown Hahaha oh man !hugs for everyone!
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@jimbo You could go to France. People there are jailed frequently for hate speech. Like that one fashion designer...
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@mrbrown No worries! This 'conversation' page is getting so big it's making my server slow down, LOL!
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@jimbo Thank you, I hope to better myself as much as possible :D I hope you... um... learn about things? :X
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@jimbo I'm rather sure many people are capable of dying their hair. Correct me if I'm wrong. Also, I'm blond and I really wouldn't care if someone pointed it out or even mocked it. I'm actually a little disappointed my hair is beginning to brown out.
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@cabal Well, although I don't want people jailed for it (free speech and all), I wouldn't mind if it was socially unacceptable. Like, if people said something offensive, it would be nice if other people called them out on it, instead of agreeing/not saying anything. Like - socially not okay, like how people would get annoyed with you like if you told an off-color joke.
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@starlightbolt LOL thank you! I highly recommend reading up on sizeism, I think it'll open your eyes a lot.
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@ponybis It's okay. I must have misread your post. I accept your apologize, and offer my own for misreading your post.
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@jimbo why hello there, i don't believe i have met you
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@fluttershy321 Hello!
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@fluttershy321 I am not! :) It sounds like there are a lot of snuggles in it, however!
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@fluttershy321 Aww! Well, thank you for inviting me. ;)
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@fluttershy321 probably because of you
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@jimbo I just read up on it. It seems to be a concept created by the types of people who are constantly feeling victimized. Sizeism is not the same thing as racism. where a person's race can not be changed and does not directly control aspects of themselves, a person's size can change and does directly affect things in their lives.
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@fluttershy321 why not? !snuggles
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@macpony55 you said i couldn't but i can
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@starlightbolt Actually, that's a rather simplistic view of it. As you may have noticed with Ponybis, a lot of people still use weight as a judgment of worth, or as an insult. Even if you close your eyes and pretend that all people can all lose weight if they simply pull themselves up by their bootstraps, the fact remains that people will judge and insult them based on whatever weight they are at the time. It's absolutely not right, and for a lot of people, weight is just as unchangable as race or other genetic features. It would be like mocking someone for being blind - they can't help it, and doing it just makes you look like an as$hole. (Not you, of course, I mean the 'general you.') My question to you: is it ever acceptable to mock people, based on their appearance? Is it okay to be mean to fat people, if you feel their weight is not merited? Do you, as your own objective self, have the right to dictate what is 'right' for other people?
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@fluttershy321 I meant you just say it naturally, which is why your #awesome
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@fluttershy321 :) I would be very sad if the !snuggles died, they have become a part of my life !snuggles
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@macpony55 RDN became part of my life
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@starlightbolt pester me
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@fluttershy321 It's literally the first and last thing I do everyday and has been since the day I joined :D
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@carcino CONSARNIT CARCINO WHY DON'T YOU HANG AROUND HERE MORE
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@macpony55 =D it's my life
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@fluttershy321 Same here, along with everypony on it, especially you !snuggles
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@jimbo You can't compare being blind to overweight. IMO it's different to look down on someone that is overweight because of outstanding circumstances, than someone you see eating 10 cheeseburgers at Wendy's. As you said people are different. If two people ate the same food and exercised the same amount one my gain/lose more weight than the other, but that doesn't mean that other person can't lose weight.
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@starlightbolt I'm sorry you have so much hate in your heart for people who absolutely do not deserve it. I hope one day you will address your fat-phobia. People should not be less deserving of respect simply because of how they look.
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@jimbo Where did I say I hate fat people? Are you reading someone else's posts and responding with my name? O.o
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@starlightbolt You are implying that you judge people who do not hold up to your subjective standards of how fat people "should" act and eat. You are body-policing, which I find to be a hateful act. I guess you could tell yourself it doesn't stem from hate, though, I guess. I guess I've always just seen it as an intrinsically hateful act.
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@jimbo Lots of people don't see a distaste towards gay people or trans people as hateful either. (They tend to call themselves "Christians" or "conservatives".) It doesn't make their hurtful words any less hurtful. Just chimin' in to make an analogy for ya.
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@starlightbolt Here, I found this - it's a pretty good source, I believe, with lots of links to check out. Even if you don't agree with what she's saying, check out the things she links to. http://kateharding.net/faq/but-dont-you-realize-fat-is-unhealthy/ There's also this one, which addresses the whole 'but they can just diet!' thing. http://kateharding.net/2007/04/12/diets-dont-work-but/
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@jimbo Whatever helps you sleep at night lol. You are misinterpreting my hate though. I hate irrational people.
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@purpletinker LOL yeah, I'm seeing a lot of willful blindness today. I also should have brought my 'derailing for dummies' bingo card! So far I've seen the tone argument, "you sound fat," "I can be hateful because I'm a fat fetishist," "objectifying = respect," "fat people wouldn't be fat if they would just stop eating 300 cheeseburgers everyday, geez," and the classic "BOOTSTRAPS!"
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@jimbo These sound an awful lot like arguments I hear against being LGBT, honestly. My sympathy.
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@purpletinker Ugh, I'm so sorry. :( I guess it's just really, REALLY hard for some people to understand that their opinions on your life/body/etc do not matter, and should have no place whatsoever in public conversation. But, you know, we shouldn't enter into logic battles with people who have clearly shown up unarmed... XD
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@jimbo Resorting to ad hominem arguments doesn't really help much either.
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@jimbo Look I don't know if you're obese or not. But I'm going to assume you are, since there is no way you'd feel so victimized and try to defend this sizeism thing so much. Look, if you are overweight and happy that's great I have a lot of fat friends and they are fine with it and so is everyone else! If you are unhappy about your weight and want to find some reason why you are that way, and try to get sympathy from others, then you are annoying and thus I don't give a kiwi.
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@colfax I highly agree! Which is why in the future, I hope that Ponybis will refrain from using 'you sound fat' and 'stop being egotistical' in his arguments.
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@starlightbolt You just can't help it, can you?
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@starlightbolt You are offensive. You have no place to be assuming what I do or do not look like, think, or feel. I hope someone in your real life sets you straight, because it is clear that logic will not sway your "beliefs."
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@jimbo @starlightbolt Guys, c'mon, just stop it. You're both being incredibly childish.
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@lifegospel Actually, I was doing my best to sincerely re-educate someone who holds outdated and hateful beliefs. Since it is clearly useless, I will be leaving him alone, so no worries. :)
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@colfax help what?
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@starlightbolt This typing Tourettes thing you seem to have going on, you're already in a hole, just stop digging.
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@jimbo Like I said, it is the only explanation. If it wasn't true, you would have said something to correct my assumption. Instead of spending so much time rationalizing your "problem" why don't you spend time fixing what you don't like about yourself?
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@colfax I'm not sure what your saying, Was that supposed to be insulting? I'm not really following, please be more clear :\
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@starlightbolt Hate to break it to you, but @jimbo doesn't appear to be the one with the problem.
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@lifegospel haha I'm just playing around. I find this entertaining ;D
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@starlightbolt Oh I know. This is my entertainment for the night. *grabs popcorn*
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