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Why do folks still use the RAR file format for simple archiving when 7z works just fine?
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@takebananaakenji I don't know, I always liked RAR.
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 00:42:47 UTC from web-
@nerthos @takebananaakenji the problem with RAR is that the format is patented and forces me to install a specific (proprietary) software
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@taknamay Oh right, there's people who have an issue with that. I've been using winrar since I was a kid and don't plan on leaving it.
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 00:45:20 UTC from web-
@nerthos I don't mind other people using the program, but the format makes it totally inaccessible to me.
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@taknamay Isn't 7zip capable of uncompressing them? If not I'm pretty sure there's some free software out there that can.
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 00:47:45 UTC from web-
@nerthos nope, there is something called "unrar" but it doesn't work with modern RAR files. I haven't found anything that works.
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@taknamay Just use winrar's endless trial mode then.
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 00:49:40 UTC from web-
@nerthos yotsuba volume 7 isn't worth my freedom
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@taknamay No offense meant, but why is it so important for people to not use propietary software? I understand not buying it, but what's the issue with using it?
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 00:53:28 UTC from web-
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@nerthos because the software isn't controlled by the community, it is the property of the developer.
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@taknamay And that is terrible... why? Haven't the developers the right to decide if their work will be public or not?
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 02:34:31 UTC from web-
@nerthos Legally, yes that is their right. I believe all software should be under the control of the users for multiple reasons.
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@nerthos I'm going to bed now, but for starters I believe copyright should be abolished in general.
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@nerthos Well, in this case it is more of a patent issue. But patents should also be abolished.
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@taknamay I honestly think that going completely communist in that you cannot have ownership of your own work would only serve to discourage big parts of the population from developing things. I personally wouldn't work on anything major if I'm then forced to give up ownership and let anyone mess with it against my will.
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 03:20:26 UTC from web-
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@ragnarokangel You encourage some while you discourage others.
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 05:10:11 UTC from web
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@taknamay I'm on a mid point in regards to copyright. I believe it should exist, but be abolished in cases where the owner cannot properly offer a good service, due to things like excessive DRM or region locking.
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 03:18:24 UTC from web -
@taknamay Maybe earned instead of assumed, but not abolished. Companies who offer a service or product shouldn't be thrown to the wind just because it's good enough to be done the exact same way by others.
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 03:21:00 UTC from web-
@awl @nerthos @redenchilada I don't make a habit of just linking to an essay in response, but this is a bit too complex for a "quip"
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@awl @nerthos @redenchilada this fits my views pretty closely: Copyright Communism? - https://c4ss.org/content/532
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@taknamay I'm not getting a good argument from this. Just some quotes about Nazis and calling copyright fascist? Don't get me wrong, I like open source, but it's something that only really works on an opt-in basis. Otherwise you lose a lot of incentive for commercial business to enter the field, which contributes a lot more to its growth than you'd think. Just because development of software, media, etc doesn't lead to a physical product doesn't mean it has to be public domain, although I do agree users should be able to use things in a personal setting however they please. Also, if something like my employer's website was open source, you'd be exposing a lot of confidential medical information and violating the hell out of HIPAA, just to give an example. There are a lot of cases like that where some control of software is necessary.
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 14:44:39 UTC from web-
@redenchilada the point is that copyright is an artificial monopoly granted by the state which requires centralization of power.
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@redenchilada copyright isn't just another subsidy, like e.g. subsidizing certain crops.
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@redenchilada Instead the implementation requires control over individual actions, which I disagree with.
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@taknamay Disagreeing with control over individual's actions isn't enough, though, IMO. To give a very extreme example, it's like disagreeing with laws that tell you /not/ to put your fist in that one guy's face.
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 15:58:32 UTC from web-
@lvbot I didn't mean no law may control someone's actions (that is a harder case for me to make) just subsidies shouldn't.
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@taknamay However that would ensure many products don't get by, wouldn't it? I'm thinking of things like college textbooks, again, and how happily and easily students would finds ways to work around having to pay for them, and things of the like. In general it's certainly useful to 'force' companies to ensure their product is valuable like that, but the most important cases, to me as an individual, are the edge cases slipping through if it's abolished.
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 16:04:03 UTC from web-
@lvbot Let's be honest, the whole college textbook thing is abused a lot by copyright holders, and in turn students avoid buying by downloading pdfs or making copies. At least that's how it is here.
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 18:26:26 UTC from web-
@nerthos i dont even know how many times i've pirated the clayden organic chemistry book
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 18:29:07 UTC from web -
@nerthos Abused in what way? I'm just chose textbooks as an example (mostly) arbitrarily.
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 18:37:15 UTC from web-
@lvbot Professors forcing you to buy their overpriced book when there's loads of alternatives that have pretty much the same info in them.
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 18:40:22 UTC from web-
@nerthos Oh, yeah, that's a thing. I was focusing on how the prices were high, since that's the only way they can earn a profit (When combined with forcing it down your throat) as it's such a specialty resource. And making it so everyone can copy and spread it for free kinda defeats that even more than it is now.
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 18:42:15 UTC from web
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@taknamay Also, sorry if my arguments are scattered. I woke up like a couple minutes before seeing Red's argument and getting interested.
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 16:11:11 UTC from web
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@taknamay The question is who /should/ have control over the distribution of something designed? It's only right that the person or people who sunk the labor into creating something should have those rights, and also the ability to give any portion of those rights to others, rather than giving all of the rights to whoever swings by and downloads it by default. While those rights shouldn't interfere with allowing the purchaser to use the product in a personal way how they wish, or even to show a few friends, copyright in the sense of, say, prohibiting someone from selling or publically posting the new Pixar movie without permission helps make sure creators are adequately compensated for their work. The "I need total control of anything I download" mentality falls apart when nobody's willing to create anything because they can't stop others from doing whatever they choose with it.
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 17:02:59 UTC from web-
@redenchilada Exactly my point.
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 17:46:56 UTC from web -
@redenchilada without copyright, nobody would make art? Nobody would develop software? Maybe less, but not nobody.
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@taknamay No body would spend years writing new, updated physics textbooks.
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 18:10:42 UTC from web-
@lvbot would people continue to write short textbooks with small updates?
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@taknamay Considering modern human economy is based on constantly developing new things, that would cause a market crash and in turn severe unemployment worldwide.
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 18:20:35 UTC from web-
@nerthos this gets into an issue of "how" instead of "why," so it is a bit of a deviation. The change can happen piecewise, not at once.
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@redenchilada There's also the fact that while, yes, making something open-source allows countless individuals to help contribute to its security, it's more vulnerable than usual at the beginning. It also demands more resources be allocated to quickly fixing problems, before some kid finds a bug and posts all about it on facebook. High-class businesses often use security comparable to the government's, I believe, so as soon as it's open-source, more than just Americans will find problems in code and wondering "Can I apply this problem to security their government uses?" and, occasionally, finding out they can.
After that, going back to economy, it would probably take a hit even with new businesses entering the field. A lot of people already have a "I'll wait for it to go on DVD / TV / I will pirate it in a week" mentality. Making tools (Many of which cost a hundred dollars for a reason, just like college textbooks) a horrifying product to invest in making. (IE, no more adobe flash).Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 15:53:02 UTC from web-
@lvbot For clarification though, I'm not a security expert, and I never studied economics. But, however, I did get that post to exactly 1,000 characters.
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 15:55:20 UTC from web
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@taknamay Keep in mind that I'm not from either north america or eastern europe so the word "communism" isn't a bad word for me.
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 17:53:16 UTC from web -
@taknamay As for my exact view on what copyright should be: It should exist, but individual copies of say, a program or device should completely belong to the buyer, with the only restriction being replicating it's contents. You're free to modify or use the thing you bought much like you would say, a car, or a table; as long as you don't make copies or attempt to profit from it beyond it's operation. Say, you buy a game creation software: you're free to profit with the things you make with it, as if you had bought a lathe, but you can't make money from selling copies of the software you bought, nor freely distribute it making it monetarily worthless UNLESS the developer doesn't make it accessible where you live.
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 17:58:37 UTC from web
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@taknamay What kind of reasons?
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 03:17:31 UTC from web-
@redenchilada I'll try to explain tomorrow
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@taknamay yotsubato?
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 00:53:51 UTC from web-
@mushi Horribly, painfully adorable parenting-based manga. Like Usagi Drop but with more hyperactivity and imagination.
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 00:55:19 UTC from web-
@lvbot i read some chapters, i was using itnto train my japanese but translating from japanese is exausting
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 00:56:35 UTC from web
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@mushi yes !
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@taknamay I've read a little. The last one ibread was that about the global warming, but i was trying to read in japanese and it is real tiresome
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 00:57:39 UTC from web-
@mushi I have English physical volumes, the global warming one is very funny.
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@taknamay more experienced japanese students day yotsubato is a good one to practice but i always use an english version to check if the translation is good. Of course it is not the physical version becausebthey dont exist in this god forsaken country
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 01:07:33 UTC from web-
@mushi what country? o.o
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@taknamay brazil
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 01:15:27 UTC from web-
@mushi that sucks
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@takeFluffle Puffakenji @nerthos I think there is "RAR 1.0" and "RAR 2.0" I should check though.
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@taknamay @nerthos There are more versions than just that. http://goo.gl/qqvRBB
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@taknamay @nerthos @takecherryakenji There's the http://qttr.at/16ck who supports all RAR formats (but you need to install GNUStep)
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@hfaust @nerthos @taknamay @takecherryakenji >not having everything on your computer GNU
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@hfaust that looks cool I'll check it out
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@taknamay @nerthos 7zip not work for you? You still have to agree to RAR license, unfortunately, but it can unrar
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Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 01:41:07 UTC from web
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@mrmattimation I am aware, I am just not sure about the meaning of the license. I have to investigate a bit further.
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@takecherryakenji I know I hate RAR files. Zip, 7z, tgz, tbz, anything else please :(
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@taknamay What's the deal with rar?
Wednesday, 24-Feb-16 00:43:38 UTC from web
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@takekiwiakenji Because RAR makes me sound like a cute lion when I say it
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@northernnarwhal @takePotato Knishesakenji it's "i love you" in some language or so i've heard
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@northernnarwhal actually no, i was kidding;;;
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@northernnarwhal sorry;;;;;;;
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@northernnarwhal t-thanks ///v///
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@northernnarwhal i-i try my best *nods*
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