Replies to drinkingpony
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The irony is lost on this one.
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@drinkingpony Beautiful, hypocritical assumption. I'm not calling for death to TERFS or Torries. And you have been far too antagonistic to be "just askin'." And feel free to quote scripture, I use it myself. It's a better reference than Dewey! http://rainbowdash.net/attachment/875386
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@scribus OK... @drinkingpony, I regret "asshole," and I'm sorry for saying that. And, looking back, I may or may not have been able to choose a more moderate tone. But I stand by the original points. You've been told how and why it's upsetting, and given avenues of further research. And you just keep plowing ahead. I genuinely suspect some sealion-ing is at play, and I can only guess at any motivations. But the endless games of "Well, just explain better and I'll respect it" stop being cute at about kindergarten ("Why? Why? Why? Why?"); that's why kids are shipped off to school to be dealt with.
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@drinkingpony OK, look asshole - I've been biting my tongue for days. Drop it, now. You are clearly antagonistic at this point. Nobody keeps falling for bad-faith, "Well, I'm *sorry* but now what about *my feelings* since you're mad at me?" pseudo-apologies forever. You have zero interest in your own espoused "sharing ideas and thoughts" or "living in concord or harmony." You demonstrate this every time you reply with a snarky rejoinder, an apples-to-celery piece of whataboutism, or outright refusal to comply with a basic request for respect. You're in the wrong, both subjectively and objectively. So, I got a question - are you stupid, or trolling? Because you've disproved any other interpretation.
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@drinkingpony I told you how to conduct yourself and then you doubled down on your refusal to gender a trans person properly
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@drinkingpony sorry but i'm really caught up on "queer oppression isn't real because there isn't a single semantic referent for it". also LGBTQ+ is a pretty widely established term of inclusion. you've demonstrated time and time again in this thread that you have no idea about anything regarding queer identity politics, the smart thing to do is admit that and shut up
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@drinkingpony Can't make him get help, unfortunately.
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@drinkingpony Well... I stick to a 2080 super but I'll probably get the Ryzen 3950x instead of the 3700x. The 2080ti would be neat but it's too expensive.
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@drinkingpony saying that LGBTQ+ oppression is insignificant because there's "no KKK equivalent" is ridiculous. just because it doesn't have a convenient name doesn't mean it isn't happening (not to mention that racism doesn't start and end with KKK). it's punishable by death in some countries. people all over the world are still abused verbally and physically if they're even thought to be gay. the (largely conservative-owned, at least here) media has something to do with it of course, but it's a problem on a social level too. i have no idea what that diabetes comment has to do with anything. if trans people and people elsewhere in the community had a better support system and weren't constantly getting discriminated against and having their lives and feelings invalidated, these statistics (which have seen arise amongst young people regardless, by the way) wouldn't be as bad as they are.
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@drinkingpony There are 7.7 Billion people struggling in some way with life right now. You're bound to get different opinions and information. When it comes right down to it, when you remember that we're all struggling and we're all human, when you have genuine love and compassion for people, you're not going to offend because it's not your intention. I don't think people are getting mad at you here for what you said, per se, but because you are apathetic to some degree towards people like us and what we go through. I'm honestly not offended, I just wish you understood this. You're better than this
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@drinkingpony Nice save
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@drinkingpony http://rainbowdash.net/url/875380 hate crimes in general, and especially hate crimes targeting LGBTQ in United States have been rising significantly in the past few years. How often are people attacked or killed in 2019 for being black?
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@drinkingpony If it is blatantly obvious what pronoun ought to be used, and you intentionally don't use it, fluffle yes, it's offensive. There are certainly offensive ways to go about asking someone when it isn't obvious.
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@drinkingpony People don’t really need to twist anything you say, it’s already pretty consistently bad.
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@drinkingpony you didn't say sorry, you started deflecting. you deadnamed her in your alleged apology post. you say trans people haven't had a hard history yet bring up suicide statistics. i assumed you knew (and chose to ignore) her name and pronouns because you brought her up in conversation like you knew who she was, like how most people only mention things in conversation if they know what they're talking about.
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@drinkingpony Gender and sexuality are completed different things. Perhaps in a some post singularity society with people who have had years of transcendental existence physical sex will be less significant, but that is a moot point. And yes, you can still brag about mortal physically accomplishments because it takes time, practice, motivation, sacrifice and dedication to win an Olympic medal, worthy of praise.
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@drinkingpony just say "she" it's not hard. i informed you of your mistake and you're going out of your way to not correct yourself. there's no esoteric quality to trans identity, people are more than happy to tell you their pronouns if they don't make them known by default.
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@drinkingpony what are your pronouns
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@drinkingpony also yeah if i refer to you in a way that makes you uncomfortable then you have every right to correct me, and then i would promptly strive to improve
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@drinkingpony you brought her up in response to a post about queer identity unprompted and referred to her by a name she no longer uses and should take a modicum of effort to find, why bring her up at all if you knew nothing about her
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@drinkingpony literally just stop denying trans people their identity just because you don't like them
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@drinkingpony you're continuing to misgender her in your first point, i literally do not care about any of what you just said. just respect people's identities and pronouns, whether you hate them or not. it's not difficult
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@drinkingpony tiff literally said the name
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@drinkingpony deadnaming a trans person is transphobic
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@drinkingpony Considering an environment like this one currently perpetuated, which has historically borne bitter fruit for the LGBTQ community, Caitlyn Marie Jenner may be neither saint nor hero, but has undeniable bravery. Drink up, buttercup. And Olympic Gold Medals are objectively a stunning achievement, regardless of what else one may or may not accomplish in life.
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@drinkingpony how the hell did you read my post and think "hm yes, time to be transphobic"
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@drinkingpony I love Grey's channel.
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@drinkingpony I'm a programmer. It's the second best without completely pulling out a leg and an arm to afford a 2080ti. DVD is essential for me and my retro game collection. A portable USB DVD drive could be nice but I have alreay an internal drive. It's also a good cup holder.
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@drinkingpony no, it doesn’t make sense, you’re just spewing again
