Notices by Omni (omni), page 27

  1. @redenchilada The sole reason it was bundled is to thrive Netscape out of business. We have seen this behaviour often enough. Microsoft only bundles something with Windows for free if they try to drive someone out of business. In other cases, they ask money for it. You can't say that "bundling it is selling" because they don't make any money for bundling it, and if that would be the whole point then why isn't Microsoft Office bundled with Windows?

    Sunday, 16-Dec-12 18:05:50 UTC from web in context
  2. @zeldatra You don't need to be jerk to be a successful company.

    Sunday, 16-Dec-12 18:03:30 UTC from web in context
  3. @redenchilada Internet Explorer was bundled with Microsoft Windows for the sole reason of getting Netscape out of business, which they succeeded in. There are more examples, but that one is the clearest.

    Sunday, 16-Dec-12 18:01:37 UTC from web in context
  4. @zeldatra You call being a complete jerk and dealing nothing but low blows being "good businesspeople", I call it "being a terrible company". I guess that's merely a different way of seeing the same facts.

    Sunday, 16-Dec-12 18:00:54 UTC from web in context
  5. @zeldatra .docx is an OOXML format by Microsoft, released as an Open Standard. They released the specifications, so that everyone following that would be compatible, but then implemented it themselves differently. Because Microsoft Office still has the largest market share, this allows them to call all others incompatible, while they are the ones not following their own standard. The first Microsoft Office version which DOES support their OWN standard properly, instead of having a wrong implementation is the 2013 version.

    Sunday, 16-Dec-12 17:59:55 UTC from web in context
  6. @zeldatra "Compatibility" is a hell of an excuse to run software which is purposely incompatible with a lot of things. Also, Microsoft IS quite bad. Developing a standard (.docx) and not following it yourself so others who do are incompatible with your products? Check. Forcing a monopoly by bundling software to forcefully take others out of business? Check. Releasing low-quality products? Check. (Does anyone remember Windows ME? Where you could press X at the login prompt and log in as Administrator? Yeah, that.) Going for low-quality temporary solutions? Check. (Pre-installed antivirus in Windows 8 instead of just making the system safer) Being hypocritical liars? Check. (Anti-Linux FUD campaign where they talk about Ubuntu being bad for having a lot of updates, and then praising Windows for always being up-to-date). Oh, if only I could find my list of things Microsoft does that warrants them being called a terrible company, I would need SO MUCH MORE than 1000 characters.

    Sunday, 16-Dec-12 17:56:19 UTC from web in context
  7. @fortecadenza It is so easy to make another anti-Microsoft joke here that I'm not even going to bother. I'm way over my monthly quota.

    Sunday, 16-Dec-12 17:48:04 UTC from web in context
  8. @eldridgekeltts I prefer cclive for Linux or BSD.

    Sunday, 16-Dec-12 16:22:37 UTC from web
  9. @redenchilada I first started off with setting up GNOME3 in a way which was even more simple than the default GNOME3, but my dad stated that this was "way too difficult" and that he would "only browse the web a bit", so yeah. And even in the case he wants to do more, I will switch him over to a desktop environment in a minute or two.

    Sunday, 16-Dec-12 16:18:06 UTC from web in context
  10. @redenchilada It's for someone who hasn't touched a PC ever since Windows 95 got released.

    Sunday, 16-Dec-12 16:09:57 UTC from web in context
  11. @omni Why did I say "fluidly" there? That doesn't make any sense, @omni, it's not going to throw water over the laptop.

    Sunday, 16-Dec-12 15:49:10 UTC from web in context
  12. Dear dad: The device for our family member will run nothing but a very bare Linux system and a browser. I don't care what you say, this will literally run fluidly on a Pentium, stop trying to talk me into agreeing with your "It's better to buy a good and expensive laptop" idea.

    Sunday, 16-Dec-12 15:44:50 UTC from web in context
  13. [ 968.694218] Out of memory: Kill process 8227 (localedef) score 261 or sacrifice child

    Sunday, 16-Dec-12 14:55:14 UTC from web
  14. @kamikaze This is why I want a decent GNOME3 fork which does not remove anything semi-useful. I haven't seen one yet, though, and I'm not knowledgeable enough to make one myself.

    Sunday, 16-Dec-12 14:14:14 UTC from web in context
  15. @kamikaze I'm not sure what you're trying to say, explain yourself?

    Sunday, 16-Dec-12 13:25:57 UTC from web in context
  16. So, I talked with my dad a bit, and apparently GNOME3 is going to be WAY TOO ADVANCED. Could you imagine that? Well, I have a new plan: No desktop environment, no window manager, ONLY a browser which auto-starts as the system starts, and touching the power button on the laptop will start the shutdown procedure. Which browser? Web. GNOME3's terrible, useless and featureless browser has so little buttons it is absolutely perfect. I think this is the closest I can come to a system literally everyone can use.

    Sunday, 16-Dec-12 13:18:19 UTC from web in context
  17. @mushi If I would let him see and read some stuff from Richard Stallman he might give it a chance with free software, but I want to protect you from getting more crap for not using free software yourself then, as the FSF does a good job at making that sound evil (although, up to a certain point, it's at very least more dangerous to use) :P

    Sunday, 16-Dec-12 11:53:10 UTC from web in context
  18. @mushi With all due respect, this sounds like the kind of guy who shouldn't be using Windows and switch over to free software like I did. He's just a tad more paranoid than I am :P

    Sunday, 16-Dec-12 11:50:32 UTC from web in context
  19. @omni I kinda want to use Arch Linux, or Parabola GNU/Linux-libre, as that makes it easy to install no more than needed, but you can't let Arch or Parabola auto-update itself once a month and expect it to go right. I could, of course, set it up to notify me in some way when it goes wrong, or I could just SSH into his system once a month and take care of it myself quickly, but if he turns it off while I'm updating, that probably won't go fine either...

    Sunday, 16-Dec-12 11:49:33 UTC from web in context
  20. @mushi My time went like this: Windows 95, followed by 98SE, then 2000, ME, XP, Vista, 7, SUSe Linux, Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Arch Linux, Parabola GNU/Linux-libre :P

    Sunday, 16-Dec-12 11:41:42 UTC from web in context
  21. @neurario He barely used Windows 95, because it was way too hard for him. Luckily, between those times, he never touched any computers, so he isn't used to anything. I can give him anything which I believe will work best for him, without having to fear that it is "too different from Windows".

    Sunday, 16-Dec-12 11:40:15 UTC from web in context
  22. Someone who hasn't used a computer since the Windows 95 times wants to have a computer with Internet now. This person is probably as computer-illiterate as you can get, so I'm going to have to put some serious thoughts in how to set this system up. Windows will require a lot of constant checking up, with anti-virus software and the likes, and I expect that to be way too hard to use, so I'm checking into a Linux system which can take care of itself. I can set it up to update everything once a month or so without him having to do anything, so his system stays reasonably up-to-date and safe without any user interaction needed, which seems like a good idea. I'm also thinking of giving him a GNOME3 desktop, modified to, yes, remove even more features. I want to get rid of the ability to have more than one "Virtual Desktop", so that going to the activities view will always list ALL his open programs. If anyone knows good GNOME3 extensions, a good distro or has a better idea, speak up please!

    Sunday, 16-Dec-12 11:36:45 UTC from web in context
  23. Ugh, a Katz episode on Courage the Cowardly Dog, I don't like Katz :/

    Sunday, 16-Dec-12 11:01:51 UTC from MuSTArDroid
  24. @hakupony My head hurts a bit, so I'm not completely sure :x

    Sunday, 16-Dec-12 10:51:49 UTC from MuSTArDroid in context
  25. @scribus Follow-up: I think I slept well.

    Sunday, 16-Dec-12 10:46:49 UTC from MuSTArDroid in context
  26. @noirbatch I must admit I tried it under WINE some time back, but it literally hurt my eyes to play it due to the half-updated frames I kept seeing and the laggy gameplay. I guess there is a fair chance it would've been improved by now, though.

    Sunday, 16-Dec-12 10:43:09 UTC from MuSTArDroid in context
  27. @noirbatch That junk? Oh dear...

    Sunday, 16-Dec-12 00:53:16 UTC from MuSTArDroid in context
  28. @scribus I'm completely serious, but you should read that as an "I won't jump off a bridge if you tell me to" and not as an "I won't try to behave if you call me out for misbehaving". But well, I'm going to sleep, goodnight (RDN is so addicting)

    Sunday, 16-Dec-12 00:52:02 UTC from MuSTArDroid in context
  29. @scribus You are still not my owner. That you have the power to ban me, does not necessarily mean that I will do as you say.

    Sunday, 16-Dec-12 00:47:12 UTC from MuSTArDroid in context
  30. @omni Bother, I meant. Tyvm autocorrect.

    Sunday, 16-Dec-12 00:43:58 UTC from MuSTArDroid in context