@omni
This account is banned, somehow. Can't contact anyone to delete it.
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Notices by Omni (omni), page 26
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Some music is so nicely powerful: http://youtu.be/u8QSdQv53C0
Sunday, 16-Dec-12 20:22:01 UTC from web -
@widget Ah, I see. Well, that falls right under the "easy-to-bypass-but-nobody-thinks-of-it" thingies, so let's just shut up about it and make sure he won't find out how it works :x
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@redenchilada But you can't know that! \end{paranoidmode}
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@redenchilada For longer than seven minutes, duh!
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@ceruleanspark Aren't there... A zillion ways to bypass that? I won't state any here, though, but still...
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@ceruleanspark Unescapable? Did we start IP-banning or so?
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@redenchilada Well, this is true, and I guess the huge sales of Microsoft Office somewhat show that the same is the case for software. Oh well.
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@redenchilada I guess that makes sense, but I still don't see why Microsoft wouldn't at least try to make more money then. Though, honestly, I often buy cheaper alternatives because they are cheaper and I am sure I'm not the only one who does this. I wouldn't spend more money on another piece of software which practically does the same, and Internet Explorer and Netscape Navigator did practically do the same. So, if Microsoft would've sold Internet Explorer for a lower price than Netscape Navigator, assuming I would be living in those days, I would've most likely bought Internet Explorer instead of Netscape Navigator.
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@widget I only now noticed Netscape Navigator was cross-platform compatible. That makes it more logical to behave like this. I still consider them jerks, though, as their greed is damaging our complete IT system, but I do understand the decision now.
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@redenchilada I understand trying to squash the market before it became big, because the Internet would've obviously seemed like a cool thing, but why for free? Wouldn't it have been way more logical to just be cheaper than Netscape? They could've gotten a lot more money with that, while still harming Netscape a lot (seeing as Netscape Navigator, their browser, was their only product, Netscape wouldn't be able to financially afford going all that cheap).
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@madflavorstheoneoffvillain "Nobody appreciates my existence anymore I'm going to leave the fandom"? Mostly true, as far as I know, and I feel more and more distant from this fandom as a whole, but "leaving" is kinda hard if you've never been completely integrated :P
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@redenchilada Netscape was not free software at the time, that only happened after they lost to Internet Explorer, where they donated the code to the Mozilla Foundation, and we all know the greatness that brought upon us. (Positive, of course, Mozilla Firefox is a great product and Mozilla's quick support for new technologies helps our web move forward at amazing speeds.) I'm not sure if we can talk about "seeing a market" when you give your product away for free, as they still do. If they really saw a market in browsers, why didn't they just sell Internet Explorer for a lower price than Netscape?
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@redenchilada Internet Explorer was made AFTER Netscape. The Netscape guys were not rivalling a Microsoft product AT ALL.
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@zeldatra Okay, so that means we should just allow them? So, if I show up at your front door with five other people, it should be fine if I kick you together with them? Because I am bigger than you? There's nothing wrong with that? That something happens often does not mean it is right, and does not mean we should just let it happen without trying to fight against it.
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@redenchilada With all due respect, you have no clue what is being done with this data, nor how valuable personal data is. This is a risk we are grossly underestimating in our society as a whole. I do agree that the tone in the article is somewhat overly paranoid, but this change is definitely not a change in the right direction.
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@zeldatra You're justifying being a jerk for no reason, while it does not even help yourself at all but only damages others, by the fact that they're big? That's definitely more silly than what I am doing.
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Oh, cool, I forgot to study for my German test on Monday. Well, dammit.
Sunday, 16-Dec-12 18:18:58 UTC from web -
@nerthos They abused their market position to do it, and they merely did it to hurt another company, instead of making profit for themselves. If they would've done it to make more money, that would be way more understandable than if they would do it just for the sake of killing off another company, which is what they did.
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@fortecadenza I would personally recommend Mint. Canonical is making some worrying changes to Ubuntu: https://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do
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@techdisk Are you sure you are allowed to edit and redistribute ALL your software? Ubuntu and Arch are known to include proprietary software, where you do not have these rights.
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@zeldatra If you use Microsoft Office on both, that argument is worthless. I'm still having trouble opening .docx files without losing the complete layout in LibreOffice (which DOES support the official implementation completely) and Microsoft Office, at least version 2007, doesn't support .odt and similar formats properly.
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@techdisk I have a complete Operating System for free, including office suite and a huge selection of software, all of which I am allowed to edit according to my will and redistribute for free. Come at me.
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@zeldatra Ah, okay, that makes more sense. I better hope this that version of Word FINALLY supports their own standards, and a fair amount of the official standards, but I have a feeling that it won't, as usual.
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@redenchilada Back in those days, it wasn't so normal, and there weren't really alternatives you could go for. The only thing you did was go to the shop and buy Netscape.
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@omni Bad choice of words. My point was: If Microsoft wanted to make money from Internet Explorer, why didn't they sell it? The only reason they had to include Internet Explorer in Windows was to get rid of Netscape. They had practically complete market dominance and getting Netscape to die only means loss for Netscape, no profit for Microsoft.
